Reply With QuoteDo you think the fact Obama got the NPP and he hasn't just simply gnaws away at him day after day after day after day after day.........?Originally Posted by jon1959
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The language and the infantile behaviour matter - but not as much as the actions.
Trump was played by Netanyahu, as he was played by Putin. He enabled Israel to attack Iran with US supplied weapons and was then drawn in to take part in the hot war.
Does he deserve the credit you give him for then stopping most (if not all) the bloodshed? He has been Trump-whispered from all sides and is desperate not to piss off his MAGA base any more by so obviously reneging on his election promises. He wants that debased Nobel Peace Prize (maybe Iran will go in with Pakistan on the nomination?). He has at least restrained Netanyahu a bit (for now) over Iran if not over Gaza, the West Bank, Lebanon, Iraq or Syria.
Trump creates or enables a war and then calls halt so he can bask in international sycophancy. That deserves credit? I don’t think so!
Do you think the fact Obama got the NPP and he hasn't just simply gnaws away at him day after day after day after day after day.........?
Bit Jon, you are never ever going to say anything different to this, but it's not reality. Of course in elections you have to pick a side, and I don't blame anyone for picking a different party to Trump or anything else. But presenting the world as black and white where EVERYTHING is always bad is simply not reality.
Just catching the news and on top of yesterday people acknowledging the role in the ceasefire (and tolerating a missile attack on a US airbase too) today we have the Dutch PM acknowledging his role in boosting European defence spending.
You can acknowledge those things. It doesn't have to change the bigger picture, it's just a better reflection of reality in my opinion.
As for his infantile tweets and the nearly as infantile barbs thrown at him too, surely we have learnt to ignore these by now, and certainly they are less newsworthy on the day a ceasefire between two mortal enemies happens.
I was going to say that AOC is also pretty irrelevant in the grand scheme of things but following last nights result from New York, that is less accurate.
Early reports suggest the Iranian nuclear facilities have not sustained catastrophic damage. Iran is clearly wounded and a strategic ceasefire is to their advantage at the moment but maybe not to Netanyahu who has lost some momentum in his plans. Any excuse could spark a blow up at any time if any of the opposing factions see an opportunity.
Even arch right winger William Hague has suggested Trump's actions have been at the very least misguided and may result in unintended consequences. For example, one particular, highly probable outcome is that the Iranians realise how vulnerable they are and then redouble their efforts to complete their nuclear programme as their only hope of defending themselves and maintaining their status quo.
With enough money and partner influence they can achieve their goal even if it involves outsourcing the management of the nuclear programme. Unless there is regime change the peril remains and Trump has neither the intelligence nor the guts to open up the Pandora's box a la Iraq and Afghanistan. Why there wouldn't even be a NPP for him in it so what's the point?
Absolutely.
It’s way too soon to know whether the bombing of Iranian nuclear sites has had any effect on the ongoing bloodshed. Even if it did, how is Trump worthy of a NPP when he is implicit in the bombing of Gaza?
Complicit perhaps.
Hi Stevo,
I think they are using Obama as the yardstick, you know? the president who dropped 26,000 bombs on 7 countries in his last year of office.
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The Nobel Peace Prize has been a debased political trinket for at least half a century: Begim/Sadat, Kissinger, Obama and others. Theodore Rooseveldt even won it back in the days when he was fresh from waging war on Cuba, Mexico and the Phillippines!
Reading through the list of winners it is like a typical UK ‘honours list’ - some charity workers, dinner ladies and other ordinary giving people who never expected recognition, and a bunch of ex political spear carriers and donors who absolutely expected the title and the qudos that comes with it (like Trump now).
Obama shouldn’t have got it. Trump shouldn’t either. But I expect he will - and will cheapen it even more!
What are the current prerequisites for the Nobel Peace Price?
Political insurrection, bombing and potching with under age girls with Epstein.
Prince Andrew with a bit more effort could be in with a shout in the future?
It's OK Jon, it's the Hypocrisy of the fake media and the hypocrisy of those who put 100% trust in it I like to troll, the massive put their telly on in the morning and like nodding donkeys believe it parrot fashion 29,000 bombs less so far during this term, Trump was a bomber in his 1st term but the media immediately, the bombs did Jack shit and that's how I'd like it to be as I hate this type of sick diplomacy but all the usual suspects went all in with their narrative of how the mission failed based on " sources tell us " ,😂 I wouldn't be surprised if Trump releases actual footage at some point. Just to mug off CNN et al again, the honors, Hollywood awards, music awards, all the same crowd rewarding each other for being c***s. I dislike the fking lot of them but without waking up each morning with permanent TDS.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ncelled-ntwnfb
Inevitably.
I wonder what Netanyahu got on him?
I have the Guardian banned in my hosts file so, cannot read anything from it, but in principle and with what you suggest that Netanyahu has something on him, my own view is that Netanyahu and Trump, and Starmer, and Macron, etc. etc. are all controlled by the Dark hands that are levels above the world leaders and what we see are just puppets doing as they are told, of course they present the stuff in their own manner and style but the actual policy/message is handed down to them to follow, and if the incumbent decides to go rogue then, refer to Kennedy, or in the case of Regan and Trump just warning shots fired as a reminder to them. Trump has been the most scrutinised president in my lifetime by a massive distance and the fake media with a corrupt D.O.J still couldn't put him behind bars, if they had the info, it would have come out to stop him the 1st time, that's not to say I do not believe that there is something on him held by someone/organisation, holding this information controls him but IMO, it's held at levels that are out of bounds to John and Jane Dough to ensure the direction is followed.
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