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Thread: FT: CARDIFF CITY 2 - 2 JOHOR DARUL TA'ZIM. Match Thread

  1. #51

    Re: FT: CARDIFF CITY 2 - 2 JOHOR DARUL TA'ZIM. Match Thread

    The defence still looks ropey, though Lawlor looked solid. They were a dirty team though, the kind of game we probably need to prepare for league one.

  2. #52

    Re: CARDIFF CITY v JOHOR DARUL TA'ZIM. Match Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by NottinghamBlue View Post
    It ends 2-2 with a mix up at the back.
    Be sure to catch this one. It’s a belter

  3. #53

    Re: FT: CARDIFF CITY 2 - 2 JOHOR DARUL TA'ZIM. Match Thread

    Never want to overhype a young player but I hope we keep hold of Lawlor, he’s passed every test so far at a position where typically young players really struggle

  4. #54

    Re: FT: CARDIFF CITY 2 - 2 JOHOR DARUL TA'ZIM. Match Thread

    Interesting game. More competitive than usual.
    2nd half team definitely better with Colwill, Wintle, Salech .looking good.
    Attach wise we look decent, defensively a lot to work on.

  5. #55

    Re: FT: CARDIFF CITY 2 - 2 JOHOR DARUL TA'ZIM. Match Thread

    As tempting as it is to try to read anything into this fixture , I don't think we can.

    Hopefully the injury to Tsunoda isn't bad

  6. #56

    Re: FT: CARDIFF CITY 2 - 2 JOHOR DARUL TA'ZIM. Match Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Rjk View Post
    As tempting as it is to try to read anything into this fixture , I don't think we can.

    Hopefully the injury to Tsunoda isn't bad
    Spot on, how anyone can take anything from a joke game like this is beyond me.

  7. #57

    Re: FT: CARDIFF CITY 2 - 2 JOHOR DARUL TA'ZIM. Match Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Tuerto View Post
    Spot on, how anyone can take anything from a joke game like this is beyond me.
    It's a pre-season friendly. Not a joke game. I hope BBM learned a lot from it.

  8. #58

    Re: FT: CARDIFF CITY 2 - 2 JOHOR DARUL TA'ZIM. Match Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Garth Blue View Post
    It's a pre-season friendly. Not a joke game. I hope BBM learned a lot from it.
    I doubt he did.

  9. #59

    Re: FT: CARDIFF CITY 2 - 2 JOHOR DARUL TA'ZIM. Match Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Tuerto View Post
    I doubt he did.
    Why do you say that Pep?

  10. #60

    Re: FT: CARDIFF CITY 2 - 2 JOHOR DARUL TA'ZIM. Match Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Garth Blue View Post
    Why do you say that Pep?
    Work it out for yourself, if you can

  11. #61

    Re: FT: CARDIFF CITY 2 - 2 JOHOR DARUL TA'ZIM. Match Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Tuerto View Post
    Work it out for yourself, if you can
    I thought it might be too difficult a question for you.

  12. #62

    Re: FT: CARDIFF CITY 2 - 2 JOHOR DARUL TA'ZIM. Match Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Garth Blue View Post
    It's a pre-season friendly. Not a joke game. I hope BBM learned a lot from it.
    Coleman and Mackay both thought friendlies were borderline pointless

  13. #63

    Re: FT: CARDIFF CITY 2 - 2 JOHOR DARUL TA'ZIM. Match Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Garth Blue View Post
    I thought it might be too difficult a question for you.
    We can have a discussion if you like.

  14. #64

    Re: FT: CARDIFF CITY 2 - 2 JOHOR DARUL TA'ZIM. Match Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa View Post
    Coleman and Mackay both thought friendlies were borderline pointless
    Are they a law firm?

  15. #65

    Re: FT: CARDIFF CITY 2 - 2 JOHOR DARUL TA'ZIM. Match Thread

    **** me no. What have a done to deserve that?

  16. #66

    Re: FT: CARDIFF CITY 2 - 2 JOHOR DARUL TA'ZIM. Match Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa View Post
    Coleman and Mackay both thought friendlies were borderline pointless
    Perhaps they should pass on their advice to every team everywhere and save them the bother.

    Aren't friendlies a better place than, for instance, training to demonstrate the way teams are meant to set up? Even if it's against Merthyr u19s or a Malaysian team.

  17. #67

    Re: FT: CARDIFF CITY 2 - 2 JOHOR DARUL TA'ZIM. Match Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Bluebirdman Of Alcathays View Post
    Perhaps they should pass on their advice to every team everywhere and save them the bother.

    Aren't friendlies a better place than, for instance, training to demonstrate the way teams are meant to set up? Even if it's against Merthyr u19s or a Malaysian team.
    Do you do Team meetings in work?

  18. #68

    Re: FT: CARDIFF CITY 2 - 2 JOHOR DARUL TA'ZIM. Match Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Bluebirdman Of Alcathays View Post
    Perhaps they should pass on their advice to every team everywhere and save them the bother.
    a pre season game has got to be better than a running box to box session

    a good set of pre-season games imho gives a team a bit of a head start as the season starts

  19. #69

    Re: FT: CARDIFF CITY 2 - 2 JOHOR DARUL TA'ZIM. Match Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Bluebirdman Of Alcathays View Post
    Perhaps they should pass on their advice to every team everywhere and save them the bother.

    Aren't friendlies a better place than, for instance, training to demonstrate the way teams are meant to set up? Even if it's against Merthyr u19s or a Malaysian team.
    I bet they learned nothing today

  20. #70

    Re: FT: CARDIFF CITY 2 - 2 JOHOR DARUL TA'ZIM. Match Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Tuerto View Post
    Do you do Team meetings in work?
    Not really. Are you suggesting that players could just be told what to do and how to play and they go and do it on a matchday? Genuine question; friendlies have always been there and I've never really questioned them as part of the pre-season process.

  21. #71

    Re: FT: CARDIFF CITY 2 - 2 JOHOR DARUL TA'ZIM. Match Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Bluebirdman Of Alcathays View Post
    Not really. Are you suggesting that players could just be told what to do and how to play and they go and do it on a matchday? Genuine question; friendlies have always been there and I've never really questioned them as part of the pre-season process.
    If you play against crap teams, at whatever level, you learn nothing. They'll learn more playing vs each other

  22. #72

    Re: FT: CARDIFF CITY 2 - 2 JOHOR DARUL TA'ZIM. Match Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa View Post
    I bet they learned nothing today
    Just stop for a moment and have a think about how daft that comment is. I grant you the comment is step up from "a joke game". Or maybe it isn't.

  23. #73

    Re: FT: CARDIFF CITY 2 - 2 JOHOR DARUL TA'ZIM. Match Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Bluebirdman Of Alcathays View Post
    Not really. Are you suggesting that players could just be told what to do and how to play and they go and do it on a matchday? Genuine question; friendlies have always been there and I've never really questioned them as part of the pre-season process.
    I think that non competitive games are pretty much a waste of time in terms of analysing players, they're training exercises in game format. There's not much to learn from them in my opinion.

  24. #74

    Re: FT: CARDIFF CITY 2 - 2 JOHOR DARUL TA'ZIM. Match Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Tuerto View Post
    I think that non competitive games are pretty much a waste of time in terms of analysing players, they're training exercises in game format. There's not much to learn from them in my opinion.
    Fair enough. Yeah they are training exercises, but I doubt any manager/head coach would be happy to rely on everyday training and then wait for a league game to see who's better equipped to do what he wants them to do. BBM, in the post-match interview, seems to think there was something learned today, unless he's just trying to justify the gallivanting.

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    Re: FT: CARDIFF CITY 2 - 2 JOHOR DARUL TA'ZIM. Match Thread

    https://www.cardiffcityfc.co.uk/news...moving-forward

    Brian Barry-Murphy spoke to Cardiff City TV following a valuable workout in a 2-2 draw against Johor Darul Ta'zim in Murcia.

    The clash was one of two fixtures the Bluebirds will play in Spain this summer, with David Turnbull and Rubin Colwill on the scoresheet at the Pinatar Arena.

    “We wanted to get an idea of where the players are in terms of their understanding of the way that we want to play, and seeing how that materialises under pressure in a competitive game." Brian began.

    "Tonight was a competitive game, so that gave me a lot of food for thought and it’s clear that we have a lot of work to do, as we would expect at this stage of the season.

    “It was a competitive game in an environment that, due to the weather, can feel uncomfortable. To have a standard of opposition like that, who have done so well over the course of previous seasons and are unbeaten in a huge amount of games, for our lads to feel that type of game where there is stress and there is pressure, it’s very good for them.

    "We can have all the training games that we want, but it doesn’t quite have the same feel of playing an opponent that you don’t quite know. There was a lot of learning for us and insight into the players when they become under pressure, where they can improve, and a lot of good signs for us moving forward."

    City showed real appetite to press and win the ball back throughout the contest, with the two sides' defences coming out on top in the first half, resulting in a goalless opening period.

    Brian continued: “I felt that we sometimes misinterpreted the way that we wanted to play and weren’t progressive enough in terms of how we wanted to attack and move the opponent from side to side. We were a little bit in a rush to do certain things and were unproductive.

    "In the second half, you saw an improvement in that. Our understanding of how to attack efficiently was better. The players were really aggressive in wanting to create chances.

    “In the first half, we were a little bit rushed to attack on one side and didn’t switch play effectively enough, but in the second half, we managed to do that more effectively, and as such the attacking opportunities were more obvious.

    "That was evident in the way that we attacked to score our first goal and created the chance that gave us the free-kick for the second goal. It’s nice to get goals for the players, to give them a reward for their play and understand how important it is to have those finishing actions to make the game the way we want it.

    "I think it’s good for the players to understand how much work we have to do. It’s going to be a really important process that they will go through and as long as they have an open mind and a want to develop, we will improve quickly."

    The Bluebirds' wide players posed a threat throughout the contest, whilst also making contributions to the side's defensive structure.

    “The demands of the way that we want to play for those wide players means that we want to attack from both wide areas, but also defend for the team," Brian explained.

    "There isn’t really much discussion on that - it’s non-negotiable. The players understand the role and its importance in how we attack, but it’s just as important for the team that they defend and be a part of a strong unit, so they will get used to the way that we want them to operate.

    "There’s good competition in the wide areas and as the pre-season progresses, the sense of being in the best possible shape to compete and try and start the season will be evident, and we’re very keen to have that in the squad."

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