FT: CARDIFF CITY 2 - 2 JOHOR DARUL TA'ZIM. Match Thread

[Tuerto]

Fair enough. Yeah they are training exercises, but I doubt any manager/head coach would be happy to rely on everyday training and then wait for a league game to see who's better equipped to do what he wants them to do. BBM, in the post-match interview, seems to think there was something learned today, unless he's just trying to justify the gallivanting.

Thing is, it's not like there are options out there, so friendly games have to happen i suppose. What managers and coaches take out of them would be interesting to know. I can only give my opinion, right or wrong, and whatever we saw this evening won't look like that in a competitive setting, as you well know yourself. We could even extend that to cup games, which are becoming increasingly uncompetitive.

[Garth Blue]

Thing is, it's not like there are options out there, so friendly games have to happen i suppose. What managers and coaches take out of them would be interesting to know. I can only give my opinion, right or wrong, and whatever we saw this evening won't look like that in a competitive setting, as you well know yourself. We could even extend that to cup games, which are becoming increasingly uncompetitive.

So not a joke game then?

[Pedro de la Rosa]

Just stop for a moment and have a think about how daft that comment is. I grant you the comment is step up from "a joke game". Or maybe it isn't.

I have played in friendlies, admittedly nowhere near a professional standard but trust me, if the opposition is garbage they're borderline pointless. Fitness is the most you get out of them. You'll think, "oh that worked" and then in the real world, in a league game vs a side that trains twice a week in a league game, it won't

[MOZZER2]

https://www.cardiffcityfc.co.uk/news...or-darul-tazim

[the other bob wilson]

No seven decades of Cardiff v Johor Darul Tazim, TOBW?

Sorry, only just saw this.

[the other bob wilson]

Thought Fish should've dealt with the ball for their second. Bit of a mad game - maybe a new rivalry will form between us and them.

Felt sorry for Dennis, but I thought he could have just fallen on the ball and, if you were looking to apportion blame for the goal, he’d be most liable for it for me. I reckon you have to blame the keeper more for hitting one of the defenders, rather than the defenders for not getting out of the way in a fraction of.a second.

[Underhill1980]

BBM would have learnt something from that match. The players that are buying into his style of play and the ones that aren’t, at the very least.

[Garth Blue]

I have played in friendlies, admittedly nowhere near a professional standard but trust me, if the opposition is garbage they're borderline pointless. Fitness is the most you get out of them. You'll think, "oh that worked" and then in the real world, in a league game vs a side that trains twice a week in a league game, it won't

I have highlighted the most relevant part of your response.
Do supporters read too much into pre-season friendlies? Of course they do.
Are friendlies an important part of a new manager and coaching staff understanding their players? Of course they are.
Are friendlies an important way for players to understand what coaches want in a match situation? Of course they are.
Are friendlies better than training matches? Of course they are.
Are friendlies the the same as the real thing? No, of course they are not.

As BBM said
"We can have all the training games that we want, but it doesn’t quite have the same feel of playing an opponent that you don’t quite know. There was a lot of learning for us and insight into the players when they become under pressure, where they can improve, and a lot of good signs for us moving forward."

Trust me Pedro. And no offence like. I would rather take the views of a professional coach than you or ""Joke game" Tuerto.

[City123]

Coleman and Mackay both thought friendlies were borderline pointless

Coleman thought they were pointless because they messed with our world ranking

[Rjk]

If friendlies were pointless then clubs would stop doing them.
every single club in the league has pre season friendlies, and 90% of those aren't to make any money - ours this season certainly aren't

[Bluebirdman Of Alcathays]

Sorry, only just saw this.

[tforturton]

I paid £5 to watch this on CCTV, but if I'm honest, it should have been free.
Not a particularly watchable game, though to be fair, the opposition took it quite seriously. They (Johor) could have been two up in the first half, due to a napping defence, but 0-0 at half-time was about right. Second half was a bit livelier, though I couldn't understand how Johor were allowed to replace a red-carded player, yet we weren't - was this a concious decision? As the game wore on, the niggles and sly kicks had got worse from both sides, and it wasn't any real surprise to see Salech go. Colwill's goal was neat, their equaliser was a farce, and that was about it.
I'm sure Murphy has learned a lot about his players ( I saw a few that didn't look quite up to it), and I also hope they get a second camera angle set up before Saturday.

[Rjk]

I paid £5 to watch this on CCTV, but if I'm honest, it should have been free.
Not a particularly watchable game, though to be fair, the opposition took it quite seriously. They (Johor) could have been two up in the first half, due to a napping defence, but 0-0 at half-time was about right. Second half was a bit livelier, though I couldn't understand how Johor were allowed to replace a red-carded player, yet we weren't - was this a concious decision? As the game wore on, the niggles and sly kicks had got worse from both sides, and it wasn't any real surprise to see Salech go. Colwill's goal was neat, their equaliser was a farce, and that was about it.
I'm sure Murphy has learned a lot about his players ( I saw a few that didn't look quite up to it), and I also hope they get a second camera angle set up before Saturday.

I think the attitude to the red cards says it all really - we wanted a proper test to help us get ready for the new season - so playing against ten men would have been a waste of time for us, hence we let them bring on another player.

they just wanted to win the game to prove themselves against a team from a bigger league, so didn't let us replace Salech.

[Rock_Flock_of_Five]

I think the attitude to the red cards says it all really - we wanted a proper test to help us get ready for the new season - so playing against ten men would have been a waste of time for us, hence we let them bring on another player.

they just wanted to win the game to prove themselves against a team from a bigger league, so didn't let us replace Salech.

I think you've made a fair assumption.

[Boanagers]

It’s obvious friendlies have merit for fitness,formations and building relationships between players and positions but results wise, zero, it’s great for a striker to get a few goals to build confidence but it’s all about getting everyone ready to hit the ground running in that first fixture against Peterborough.

[PhyllisStant]

lets not read anything into our first game with a new system, manager, and pretty much new line up

[Undercoverinwurzelland]

Some brief highlights courtesy of our opponents
https://x.com/OfficialJohor/status/1943282572618035710