Girl in Union Jack dress.

[superfeathers]

I'm surprised we are poles apart.

If you honestly think there is anything normal about the treatment of this girl then that's up to you.

But like I said. Most parents will not be heading into your and Sludges camp on that.

They will firmly be criticising the expulsion of a child for expressing her culture. And to that you will say...ahh..it's her parents influence! But you would never say that in any other case, and that exposes your bias. It's wrong. It was wrong from the start, the school knows it and no one should have sympathy with the school.

Whatever her dad's politics, they are fueled by the original decision. Fanned by the kind of arguments you are making here tbh.

I don’t think the treatment of the girl
Is right - the school should have done a collective eyeroll and avoided the drama. Realistically, this won’t have been the first attempt.

I agree with you that most parents will criticise the school in this story. I would say that a majority of reasonable parents “with context” of what’s going on here would change their minds.

I would absolutely look at the bigger picture in every other case. I consider myself left of centre, (I presume left is the “bias” you mean?), but I’m capable of seeing a story and looking at it objectively.

Her dad’s politics aren’t fueled by the original decision. That’s complete nonsense. His feed has the same vitriol prior to this story.

[JamesWales]

I don’t think the treatment of the girl
Is right - the school should have done a collective eyeroll and avoided the drama. Realistically, this won’t have been the first attempt.

I agree with you that most parents will criticise the school in this story. I would say that a majority of reasonable parents “with context” of what’s going on here would change their minds.

I would absolutely look at the bigger picture in every other case. I consider myself left of centre, (I presume left is the “bias” you mean?), but I’m capable of seeing a story and looking at it objectively.

Her dad’s politics aren’t fueled by the original decision. That’s complete nonsense. His feed has the same vitriol prior to this story.

Well that's three out of four paragraphs we agree on so I don't consider that poles apart.

The bias comes in your scrutiny of someone's fathers opinions,which I suspect you rarely do normally. And also in placing more focus on speculation about that rather than the fact a child has plainly been discriminated against.

[superfeathers]

Well that's three out of four paragraphs we agree on so I don't consider that poles apart.

The bias comes in your scrutiny of someone's fathers opinions,which I suspect you rarely do normally. And also in placing more focus on speculation about that rather than the fact a child has plainly been discriminated against.

The story doesn’t happen without the father.
Yes, I would typically consider the parents in the actions of a 12 year old.
I’m not placing any focus on speculation. I’ve given you clear evidence of the fathers lean towards the far right. Prior to this story.

There’s plenty of speculation about the father online, which makes me wonder why he doesn’t seem too close to his other children. I haven’t got involved in this. As you say, it’s speculation.

It’s sad to see that she will unfortunately be further indoctrinated, especially as she becomes a poster girl for Lennon in his September rally. A nice memory to look back on with her dad in years to come, for sure.

I would be very interested to see what outlets this was first sold to. I could take a guess, but it would be good to see who first reported it. The grifters that are connected just make it worse.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Well that's three out of four paragraphs we agree on so I don't consider that poles apart.

The bias comes in your scrutiny of someone's fathers opinions,which I suspect you rarely do normally. And also in placing more focus on speculation about that rather than the fact a child has plainly been discriminated against.

This is staggering , even by your pompous stupidity

This girls father is a committed racist who is in dialogue with other known racists

One has been shunned by swansea city fans , such is his extremism ......hes the guy who has ....just happened to stumble upon this incredible story .....and set up a crowd funding page

And they know Tommy Robinson

How's all that for a coincidence 🤔

Are you really as stupid as you are sounding ?

Surely not

[JamesWales]

This is staggering , even by your pompous stupidity

This girls father is a committed racist who is in dialogue with other known racists

One has been shunned by swansea city fans , such is his extremism ......hes the guy who has ....just happened to stumble upon this incredible story .....and set up a crowd funding page

And they know Tommy Robinson

How's all that for a coincidence 🤔

Are you really as stupid as you are sounding ?

Surely not

I'm not as stupid as you are sounding, that's for sure.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

The “ban” on her was only wrong in the sense that the school took the bait rather than rising above. The father used her like a puppet for his own agenda. Who lets their 12 year old daughter appear at a Tommy Robinson rally?

From reading this thread I reckon JW 😄

Staggering

[JamesWales]

The story doesn’t happen without the father.
Yes, I would typically consider the parents in the actions of a 12 year old.
I’m not placing any focus on speculation. I’ve given you clear evidence of the fathers lean towards the far right. Prior to this story.

There’s plenty of speculation about the father online, which makes me wonder why he doesn’t seem too close to his other children. I haven’t got involved in this. As you say, it’s speculation.

It’s sad to see that she will unfortunately be further indoctrinated, especially as she becomes a poster girl for Lennon in his September rally. A nice memory to look back on with her dad in years to come, for sure.

I would be very interested to see what outlets those was first sold to. I could take a guess, but it would be good to see who first reported it. The grifters that are connected just make it worse.

So now you are more interested in what media outlet reported the story first, what the dads views are (has he expressed any as bad as the schools policy of placing some cultures above others?) and some rally that has never happened?

Again, the focus here should be on the original story, condemning what made it happen and then your other concerns drift away as they don't have oxygen. All you are doing is fanning the flames of a fire you claim to dislike.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

So now you are more interested in what media outlet reported the story first, what the dads views are (has he expressed any as bad as the schools policy of placing some cultures above others?) and some rally that has never happened?

Again, the focus here should be on the original story, condemning what made it happen and then your other concerns drift away as they don't have oxygen. All you are doing is fanning the flames of a fire you claim to dislike.

You fecking idiot 😆

Hes clearly demonstrated what a bunch of racist chancers these idiots are and because you end up with egg on your face you think hes some lefty agitator 😆

You silly little ponce

[superfeathers]

So now you are more interested in what media outlet reported the story first, what the dads views are (has he expressed any as bad as the schools policy of placing some cultures above others?) and some rally that has never happened?

Again, the focus here should be on the original story, condemning what made it happen and then your other concerns drift away as they don't have oxygen. All you are doing is fanning the flames of a fire you claim to dislike.

James, IÂ’ve said since the very start of this that IÂ’m more interested in what the dadÂ’s views are. Because itÂ’s him grooming his daughter with them. The rally is due to happen as you well know, in September. It will happen. I hope the turnout is low, I hope this girl doesnÂ’t attend, but it will happen.

You said in your previous post that you agreed with 3 out of 4 paragraphs that I wrote. Which one was it you disagreed with?

[JamesWales]

James, IÂ’ve said since the very start of this that IÂ’m more interested in what the dadÂ’s views are. Because itÂ’s him grooming his daughter with them. The rally is due to happen as you well know, in September. It will happen. I hope the turnout is low, I hope this girl doesnÂ’t attend, but it will happen.

You said in your previous post that you agreed with 3 out of 4 paragraphs that I wrote. Which one was it you disagreed with?

I disagree with your last one. You don't present any evidence of it, or how it changes or is indeed relevant to the original story. We don't know the full story on that. If the school has discriminated against people before then that may partly explain whatever he may or may not feel. But again, we don't know the full story and I haven't seen a single thing he has supposedly said that is anywhere near as bad as what the school did.

Alas I am off to sleep now, but it's been good chatting 👍

[superfeathers]

I disagree with your last one. You don't present any evidence of it, or how it changes or is indeed relevant to the original story. We don't know the full story on that. If the school has discriminated against people before then that may partly explain whatever he may or may not feel. But again, we don't know the full story and I haven't seen a single thing he has supposedly said that is anywhere near as bad as what the school did.

Alas I am off to sleep now, but it's been good chatting 👍

Thanks for confirming, we’re near the same page. So to repeat what you agree with:

I don’t think the treatment of the girl
Is right - the school should have done a collective eyeroll and avoided the drama. Realistically, this won’t have been the first attempt.

I agree with you that most parents will criticise the school in this story. I would say that a majority of reasonable parents “with context” of what’s going on here would change their minds.



I would absolutely look at the bigger picture in every other case. I consider myself left of centre, (I presume left is the “bias” you mean?), but I’m capable of seeing a story and looking at it objectively.

Her dad’s politics aren’t fueled by the original decision. That’s complete nonsense. His feed has the same vitriol prior to this story.

Ie
1)The school should have rolled their eyes and ignored the bait
2) most parents would understand this is a bullshit story
3) we agree I’m capable of looking at a story neutrally
4) this is where we disagree. I’ve provided you with evidence that the father is related to far right groups, prior to the event in school. I’ve provided evidence, provided by the the girl, her father and the extreme right (Robinson), that she will be attending a rally in September. She is very clearly being groomed. You don’t think that this is correct.

Night

[the other bob wilson]

So now you are more interested in what media outlet reported the story first, what the dads views are (has he expressed any as bad as the schools policy of placing some cultures above others?) and some rally that has never happened?

Again, the focus here should be on the original story, condemning what made it happen and then your other concerns drift away as they don't have oxygen. All you are doing is fanning the flames of a fire you claim to dislike.

And the likes of that grifter Tommy Robinson isn’t?

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Thanks for confirming, weÂ’re near the same page. So to repeat what you agree with:

I donÂ’t think the treatment of the girl
Is right - the school should have done a collective eyeroll and avoided the drama. Realistically, this wonÂ’t have been the first attempt.

I agree with you that most parents will criticise the school in this story. I would say that a majority of reasonable parents “with context” of what’s going on here would change their minds.



I would absolutely look at the bigger picture in every other case. I consider myself left of centre, (I presume left is the “bias” you mean?), but I’m capable of seeing a story and looking at it objectively.

Her dadÂ’s politics arenÂ’t fueled by the original decision. ThatÂ’s complete nonsense. His feed has the same vitriol prior to this story.

Ie
1)The school should have rolled their eyes and ignored the bait
2) most parents would understand this is a bullshit story
3) we agree IÂ’m capable of looking at a story neutrally
4) this is where we disagree. IÂ’ve provided you with evidence that the father is related to far right groups, prior to the event in school. IÂ’ve provided evidence, provided by the the girl, her father and the extreme right (Robinson), that she will be attending a rally in September. She is very clearly being groomed. You donÂ’t think that this is correct.

Night

Her fathers views on " culture " were given to the little girl in her " speech " to be read out whilst wearing the dress

JW has fell for this like a kipper

[lardy]

I'm surprised we are poles apart.

If you honestly think there is anything normal about the treatment of this girl then that's up to you.

But like I said. Most parents will not be heading into your and Sludges camp on that.

They will firmly be criticising the expulsion of a child for expressing her culture. And to that you will say...ahh..it's her parents influence! But you would never say that in any other case, and that exposes your bias. It's wrong. It was wrong from the start, the school knows it and no one should have sympathy with the school.

Whatever her dad's politics, they are fueled by the original decision. Fanned by the kind of arguments you are making here tbh.

She was expelled?

[JamesWales]

And the likes of that grifter Tommy Robinson isn’t?

I am more than happy to say that the likes of Tommy Robinson, and the kind of policies in schools that divide people by culture are both part of the problem, and feed off each other yes.

What I also understand, which with respect many of you on the left don't seem to, is that I understand why some will turn to people like Tommy Robinson, when stories like this happen

[JamesWales]

She was expelled?

Top marks for picking up on a minute part of the story there. You know she wasn't expelled from the school, but she was removed from the class. Removed, perhaps was the better word to use 👍

[Heathblue]

Imaging in the UK right now there is a there is a political punch bag AROUND a girl wearing a dress (spice girl style), but here we are.
I'm off to make some marmalade sandwiches for PADDY'S brekkie.
THANKYOU FOR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER.
RB.jpg

[JamesWales]

Her fathers views on " culture " were given to the little girl in her " speech " to be read out whilst wearing the dress

JW has fell for this like a kipper

Have you read the speech? I suspect you havent.

Kipper? Hardly. But I suppose it's a less preposterous word than others you have used in the thread, such as "neo-nazi".

[JamesWales]

Imaging in the UK right now there is a there is a political punch bag AROUND a girl wearing a dress (spice girl style), but here we are.
I'm off to make some marmalade sandwiches for PADDY'S brekkie.
THANKYOU FOR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER.
RB.jpg

Can you take Sludge out for some sandwiches too please?

[Elwood Blues]

Have you read the speech? I suspect you havent.

Kipper? Hardly. But I suppose it's a less preposterous word than others you have used in the thread, such as "neo-nazi".

Where is the speech then Sludge?

According to the father she wrote it herself,but perhaps you know different.

[Heathblue]

Where is the speech then Sludge?

According to the father she wrote it herself,but perhaps you know different.

Sludge along with his extreme left friends has a long history of quoting back what that he wanted you/us to say and not what we actually said because we do not comply with his way of the world. The story is here, a young girl went into a skool in her country of her birth with a dress reflecting the country of her birth and a speech about the history of her country on some sort of National pride theme and was effectively shamed by some arseholes who call themselves teachers, I did see the story but didn't read it in detail and take notes ive read more on here about it, it's another divide and conquer event, did her old man write something ?, i have no idea, ive not seen whatever was written. Farage's supporters of the future are being guided to him by lunatics who have gotten a strangle hold in the skools and universities.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Where is the speech then Sludge?

According to the father she wrote it herself,but perhaps you know different.

Its all over the internet

A 7 year old girl doesnt write lines about not celebrating " our own culture "

You are surely not that stupid ?

Do you believe this guy , a right wing political agitator , mates with other far right media users has just stood by as his daughter has waltzed into school , worn this dress and written this speech which is clearly beyond the word use of a 7 year old ?

Don't be so stupid ff sake

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

I am more than happy to say that the likes of Tommy Robinson, and the kind of policies in schools that divide people by culture are both part of the problem, and feed off each other yes.

What I also understand, which with respect many of you on the left don't seem to, is that I understand why some will turn to people like Tommy Robinson, when stories like this happen

Well when a far right dad with an agenda fits up his daughter and writes her speech and fools the likes of people like you and plenty of others then yes its no surprise people will turn to racists

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

I am more than happy to say that the likes of Tommy Robinson, and the kind of policies in schools that divide people by culture are both part of the problem, and feed off each other yes.

What I also understand, which with respect many of you on the left don't seem to, is that I understand why some will turn to people like Tommy Robinson, when stories like this happen

Well when a far right dad with an agenda fits up his daughter and writes her speech and fools the likes of people like you and plenty of others then yes its no surprise people will turn to racists

[Dave Blue]

Well when a far right dad with an agenda fits up his daughter and writes her speech and fools the likes of people like you and plenty of others then yes its no surprise people will turn to racists

A total set up. Some have said she is 7 years old but to correct that, she is 12.