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    Re: New Party on the Left

    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    Which party is going to sort out the big black hole including the 7 billion hidden expenditure!
    Reform have got a cunning plan for that.

    When they sweep into power (!) they will sack all the Equalities officers in Lincolnshire.

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    Its blindingly obvious that starmer and his cabinet needs liquidation

    Only then can a more reasonable and less clueless labour party emerge

    Having labour , liberals , greens and possibly corbyns mob all scrambling b for votes will just allow farage to stroll into power

    Its all very well having choices but when reform are looking odds on for victory egos need to go out the window ......get a left of centre rainbow party set up you clueless bunch of idiots

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    Can't see that happening. Greens are mad and would push for things that would unsettle the market. Lib Dems a profoundly different party. Could see a coalition after an election but not before. Corbyns lot more likely to align with the Greens separately. Starmer wants little to do with them. SNP (I know you didn't mention them) are massive rivals and big differences on Scottish independence. Plaid are insignificant on a UK wide level.

    The reality is Labour are facing the same problems the Tories are. The same problems most countries are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    Can't see that happening. Greens are mad and would push for things that would unsettle the market. Lib Dems a profoundly different party. Could see a coalition after an election but not before. Corbyns lot more likely to align with the Greens separately. Starmer wants little to do with them. SNP (I know you didn't mention them) are massive rivals and big differences on Scottish independence. Plaid are insignificant on a UK wide level.

    The reality is Labour are facing the same problems the Tories are. The same problems most countries are.
    The first rule of Sludge's Tories are scum club is that there is no Tories are scum club!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    Can't see that happening. Greens are mad and would push for things that would unsettle the market. Lib Dems a profoundly different party. Could see a coalition after an election but not before. Corbyns lot more likely to align with the Greens separately. Starmer wants little to do with them. SNP (I know you didn't mention them) are massive rivals and big differences on Scottish independence. Plaid are insignificant on a UK wide level.

    The reality is Labour are facing the same problems the Tories are. The same problems most countries are.
    If we dont get a larger middle ground rainbow alliance farage walks in

    So either they cobblers something together or just carry on whilst he walks in through the back door

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    Quote Originally Posted by jon1959 View Post
    Reform have got a cunning plan for that.

    When they sweep into power (!) they will sack all the Equalities officers in Lincolnshire.
    No need to speculate, you can read more about it here!

    Full details outlined in the next council meeting apparently, so you will all have to bookmark Kent Councils webcasts for that

    https://www.localgovernmentlawyer.co...e-move-at-kent

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    Re: New Party on the Left

    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    No need to speculate, you can read more about it here!

    Full details outlined in the next council meeting apparently, so you will all have to bookmark Kent Councils webcasts for that

    https://www.localgovernmentlawyer.co...e-move-at-kent
    Thanks for the heads up. I won't be able to sleep waiting for Kent County Council's detailed DOGE plan! It's so exciting!

    This piece puts some of it in context - and at the same time casually takes down Mumford and Sons - so two good reasons to read it!

    https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...cies-reform-uk

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    Quote Originally Posted by jon1959 View Post
    Thanks for the heads up. I won't be able to sleep waiting for Kent County Council's detailed DOGE plan! It's so exciting!

    This piece puts some of it in context - and at the same time casually takes down Mumford and Sons - so two good reasons to read it!

    https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...cies-reform-uk
    You need to stop reading the guardian so much Jon!

    Cut out the middle man..go straight to the council webcast! 😀

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    You need to stop reading the guardian so much Jon!

    Cut out the middle man..go straight to the council webcast! ��
    I’m just marking time until the Great Kent County Council reveal!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jon1959 View Post
    I’m just marking time until the Great Kent County Council reveal!
    It's going to be a long old month, especially without the football to keep us going 😩

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    Debate on the frozen out MPs on radio this morning

    Starmer out , yesterday please

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    Debate on the frozen out MPs on radio this morning

    Starmer out , yesterday please

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    Dianne Abbott kicked out again now. It's like the hokey cokey.

    I have to say, it's not hard to see the point she is trying to make, but it's very clumsily made and it seems highly unlikely it was an accident to repeat them. She knows what she is doing there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jon1959 View Post
    I’m just marking time until the Great Kent County Council reveal!
    Another Jackie Wheeler situation?

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    Another Jackie Wheeler situation?
    I doubt it. The Jackie Wheeler performance at Handforth Parish Council was funny - if unintentionally funny.

    I expect the Kent County Council DOGE cuts event will have a lot fewer laughs!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jon1959 View Post
    I doubt it. The Jackie Wheeler performance at Handforth Parish Council was funny - if unintentionally funny.

    I expect the Kent County Council DOGE cuts event will have a lot fewer laughs!
    Unlike the last few years of rising council tax and falling services which have been an absolute barrel of laughs for all involved!

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    Re: New Party on the Left

    Corbyn and Sultana finally got their act together (or more likely, Corbyn finally got his act together) and announced a new party.

    Temporarily called 'Your Party'.

    It may crash and burn like most of the previous left parties in recent decades, but this time the state of Labour and the breakdown of traditional voting patterns (along with the rise of populism and the impact of social media) it may be different.

    The pitch is this:


    It’s time for a new kind of political party. One that belongs to you.

    The system is rigged.

    The system is rigged when 4.5 million children live in poverty in the sixth richest country in the world. The system is rigged when giant corporations make a fortune from rising bills. The system is rigged when this government says there is no money for the poor, but billions for war.

    We cannot accept these injustices – and neither should you.

    We will only fix the crises in our society with a mass redistribution of wealth and power. That means taxing the very richest in our society. That means an NHS free of privatisation and bringing energy, water, rail and mail into public ownership. That means investing in a massive council-house building programme. That means standing up to fossil fuel giants putting their profits before our planet.

    Meanwhile, millions of people are horrified by the government’s shameful complicity in genocide. We believe in the radical idea that all human life has equal value. That is why we defend the right to protest for Palestine. That is why we demand an end to all arms sales to Israel. And that is why we will carry on campaigning for the only path to peace: a free and independent Palestine.

    Our movement is made up of people of all faiths and none. The great dividers want you to think that the problems in our society are caused by migrants or refugees. They’re not. They are caused by an economic system that protects the interests of corporations and billionaires. It is ordinary people who create the wealth – and it is ordinary people who have the power to put it back where it belongs.

    It’s time for a new kind of political party. One that is rooted in our communities, trade unions and social movements. One that builds power in all regions and nations. One that belongs to you.

    Sign up at www.yourparty.uk to be part of the founding process, leading to an inaugural conference. At this conference, you will decide the party’s direction, the model of leadership and the policies that are needed to transform society. That is how we can build a democratic movement that take on the rich and powerful - and win.

    Real change is coming.

    Jeremy Corbyn MP Zarah Sultana MP



    https://www.yourparty.uk/#/

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics...leftwing-party

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2795189.html

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdeze706jw8o

    https://news.sky.com/story/jeremy-co...party-13401114

    https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articl...rbyn-led-party

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    Re: New Party on the Left

    140,000 signed up today in under 10 hours

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    140,000 signed up today in under 10 hours
    That's Farage as PM then

    Cheque signed by Corbyn

    If he had waited for Starmer to fold it wouldn't have mattered

    Selfish

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    Quote Originally Posted by fingers View Post
    140,000 signed up today in under 10 hours
    Brilliant news! I'm excited!

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    It's been a long time coming. Will be interesting to see what they come out with. If it's genuinely in tune with working class opinions or just a load of middle class guardian guff.

    I sadly suspect the latter but I will be keeping a keen and open mind

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    I checked the governmental website (i.e. UKIPO) that deals with the application and registration of trade marks yesterday - and it seems that Jeremy Corbyn made a submission for a 'word mark' (a trademark defined by words and not a logo, the other type of trade mark) on 7 July this year.
    The classes (i.e. categories) that the TM is to fall into are all related to politics.
    The word itself is not visible yet but the procedure is for applications to eventually be promulgated to all other TM owners with similar TMs in the same categories lest they want to make any objections to the applications.
    Until that process is cleared the TM won't be registered.
    Just sayin'

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    P.S. Having subsequently checked elsewhere for domain name (i.e. website) registrations, 'Your Party' (supposedly just a temporary name) seems to be included in a tranche of domains that are not currently used - the only one in use being the website bring used to garner interest in Corbyn's new party.

    For the sake of just over a quid for 12 months I have nabbed one that was still available lest the reason for the name being temporary is because the TM hasn't passed through the system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie View Post
    I checked the governmental website (i.e. UKIPO) that deals with the application and registration of trade marks yesterday - and it seems that Jeremy Corbyn made a submission for a 'word mark' (a trademark defined by words and not a logo, the other type of trade mark) on 7 July this year.
    The classes (i.e. categories) that the TM is to fall into are all related to politics.
    The word itself is not visible yet but the procedure is for applications to eventually be promulgated to all other TM owners with similar TMs in the same categories lest they want to make any objections to the applications.
    Until that process is cleared the TM won't be registered.
    Just sayin'
    Thinking back to my trademark examining days, I think the mark “your party” for things like political management and administration would have caused a lot of discussion in the office. I’d have edged towards allowing it because I reckon it’s got a little bit of distinctiveness. However, I wouldn’t be surprised at all if the mark was objected to by a third party in the manner you mention and often it would be a case of the mark applied for having to prove it had “acquired distinctiveness” over a period that would usually be measured in years and, of course, Corbyn’s new party doesn’t have that.

    In saying that, it’s sixteen years since I worked in Trade Marks and the examination criteria may have changed in that time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    Thinking back to my trademark examining days, I think the mark “your party” for things like political management and administration would have caused a lot of discussion in the office. I’d have edged towards allowing it because I reckon it’s got a little bit of distinctiveness. However, I wouldn’t be surprised at all if the mark was objected to by a third party in the manner you mention and often it would be a case of the mark applied for having to prove it had “acquired distinctiveness” over a period that would usually be measured in years and, of course, Corbyn’s new party doesn’t have that.

    In saying that, it’s sixteen years since I worked in Trade Marks and the examination criteria may have changed in that time.
    As you know, the objective is for a new application not to be confused with any existing ones and whilst not throwing a blanket over generic terms already widely used in the classes of products and services concerned. That would perhaps represent what you consider to be the distinctive component - as it should any consequential confusion.

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