Palestine Action

[jon1959]

I would suggest in future that you properly read the post I made and if you want to project something from it, then endorse far less inflammatory accusations than accusing someone of supporting slavery. Even for this football forum, where we routinely get called fascists for not agreeing with people, it was a total overeach.

It also implied that I didn't think genocide should be illegal. I do. The question was whether they are committing genocide and I take a not unreasonable position of devolving that to people who can legally define it. You may disagree, but it's not unreasonable. I also explained that I think a key factor in the horrors is the disproportionate power of the two militaries in question, which is also true.

Thank you for clarifying however.

The crime of genocide is already legally defined.

Most if not all posters on here who have said Israel is committing genocide have referred to the legal definition.

Whether the International Criminal Court finally (in another 2 years or so according to the experts) confirms that view is a different thing. The ICJ has set a very high evidential bar for itself in previous judgements, and has got itself into a real tangle where it will not confirm genocide has been carried out if there are other motives for the genocidal actions - including military action or land grabs!

The ICJ has never yet ruled against any country for genocide - so far it has only determined that the charge of genocide against Israel is 'plausible'. That may change later this year when it rules on Myanmar's genocidal expulsion of the Rohingya, where it may be able to set a more rational precedent and accept genocide against a people can take place alongside other aims or intentions. Even if it doesn't get itself out of a hole of its own making it will at least ensure there is a full record of Israel's objectives and actions in Gaza (if not elsewhere in Palestine).

Either way Israel has totally ignored the interim judgements of the ICJ - backed 100% by the USA.

It will ignore any final judgement when that comes in a few years. None of that will affect the genocide underway in Palestine. It doesn't provide any more defence to the Palestinian people and the delay doesn't give Israel any more cover than it already has from the USA and its other hard core apologists.

[chrisp_1927]

Interested to see the result of the court case. Will the government try to justify the prescription by reference to things Palestine action have done, or will they rely on intelligence over what PA were planning.

I'd imagine that the terrorism charges that were brought by the CPS over the elbit Filton incident may help the governments case, dependent obviously on what decision is reached in Court in these cases. It would show that the group were involved in 'terrorism' pre prescription rather than just being branded as terrorists post prescription. It does certainly appear that the bar for terrorism has been lowered somewhat though.

[jon1959]

The controversy over the ban applied to Palestine Action deepened on Monday, with police warning of mass detentions if a demonstration goes ahead this weekend that could see more than 1,000 people carrying placards and posters expressing support for the group.

The Metropolitan police made clear it would arrest anyone breaking terrorism laws, as Downing Street urged people not to attend any protest.

But in a further challenge to the decision to proscribe Palestine Action, 300 left-leaning Jewish figures including the director Mike Leigh and author Michael Rosen will tell the prime minister in a letter on Tuesday that the ban was “illegitimate and unethical”.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...est-goes-ahead