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Considering we are 2 games into the season, one of which was a fine performance, there's been a helluva overreaction to one poor game. Even in this game you could see the quality of our movement at times. Agreed we were bullied by Port Vale and our crossing into the box was woeful but I'm not too disappointed with our points total. There are obvious weak links in the team that BBM needs to address but hey we're undefeated and move on to the next game.
Bit of a wasted 9 hours!
The star of the show was our support.
Trott was my MoM by some way, especially the point blank save in the first half.
We were very predictable and easy to figure out / defend against.
Tanner & Willock very frustrating!
Goodnight!
We got away with an undeserved point tonight so that’s a positive! We need to start learning how to defend corners because Port Vale got “first contact”, as they say in modern football speak , from nearly every delivery into our box.
Thankfully they are not a very good team so couldn’t finish .
Willock and Chambers as senior pros were very poor. I’m pretty sure Willock’s heart isn’t in it and Chambers just isn’t a dominant centre half
Felt sorry for Salech as he was so isolated - at times no team mates were within 20 yards of him .
We got a point because of Port Vale’s limitations in that they lacked quality up front but they worked hard and were very physical.
Trott looked confident in goals, Salech battled but was very isolated and had no service , Kpakio was okay and Wintle kept showing for the ball even though he was below the standard set on Saturday and he improved when Turnbull joined him in midfield. The rest were not very good this evening
Just got back, 2.00am, read through all the posts, I won’t say anything about Tanner,I’ll leave it up to others .
We need our players to frigging shoot and not try and score the perfect goal
It’s an over simplification of course because there was much more wrong with us than just this, but you increase the number of experienced players from last season by two and our performance goes down the tubes. Thought Chambers improved in the second half, but I’ve no idea what he was doing in the first forty five minutes. Willock, I just don’t get, but I thought Tanner was even worse than him.Originally Posted by Don Corleone
He had a terrible game, but they had us sussed a bit more pressure and marking down the right hand side and they reduced our chances.
Unfortunately, neither Fish or Daaland have physicality
Second game of the season in, not a great performance last night but wasn't great last Saturday. The manager/coach needs a bit of time to either swim or sink.
Some are going from hysterically happy to spat dummies in 6 days.
I didn't see what Alnwick did wrong last season - or Turner on Saturday for that matter. It was probably last position that need strengthening
May not be a bad thing, if anyone behind the scenes actually thought such an inexperienced squad could actually challenge.
Not many mentions of the blatant penalty we should have had and the legitimate goal they had ruled offside
BBM acknowledged that we were lucky, and said that improvement is needed in key areas.
I was waiting for him to then list a load of positives but he didn’t.
I’m pleased he didn’t sugar-coat that display.
Not sure how he can improve the physical stature of this squad, because that’s going to be a key weakness.
Possibly because there was no blatant penalty and a couple of City players had stopped when the flag was raised for the goal that was given offside.
We are in trouble once salech goes off or gets injured or banned as Robinson is incapable of playing the target man role and we've just loaned out the one person who could have provided cover for that role even if he isn't very good.
Every time we lumped the ball in his direction it came straight back at us
There is a bit of an overreaction on here IMHO.
It was a dreadful game which we were lucky to get a point from and there were some poor performances out there, however that doesn't however erase Saturdays superb performance. The question which of the two performances are more indicative of how our season will go?
Id say that these days, far more teams in the lower divisions play like Peterborough, not Port Vale. The hyper physical style isn't the go to tactic it used to be (luckily for us).It's a young team and there will be inconsistencies, the key is that we're able to take points when we don't play well, as we did yesterday
The one big concern for me is that we haven't been able to add one or two more experienced players yet, as two of the three that played last night, Chambers and Willock, have rarely played well since we signed them. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but I very much regret that we didn't give Joe Ralls another year. Last night was his sort of game.
I have always said that Tanner is very limited. If he can't beat his man (and it's not something he even tries to do most of the time) he is very ineffective all round.
SHOOT ffs
I agree there has been an overreaction to last night's game and I've said so myself further up the thread, but was Saturday's performance really superb? It was a good effort against poor opposition and an entertaining game all round, but we scored one goal from open play against a defence that was the second-worst in the division last season. We won 2-1, not 6-1. I believe there's been an overreaction to both performances.
Agreed, Saturday was a decent performance but nothing amazing.
I think it shows the shit we’re used to being served up if Saturdays performance was superb.
Probably right, shouldn't get carried away by either performance. One was encouraging, one concerning, but it's very early days. I'm pleased to see BBM admitting we were lucky to get a point - don't think any of his recent predecessors would have. The key now is what he learns from both games. He needs to find a way to deal with the physicality. Do we need to fight fire with fire? How did Birmingham cope with it last season?
Massively disappointing after a decent showing Saturday.
We were fortunate to get a point, but the manager will have learnt more from this game than Saturday.
Clearly we need more physicality in defence and more pace outside. Salech also needs service and support.
Alnwick isn’t very good. He lets a lot of soft goals in, same as Horvath. I imagine they were quite surprised re Turner. Signing a good keeper is hardly a disaster and I don’t know why it’s getting talked about.
Tanner is thick, it's sometimes the prerequisite of an out and out wide player, they seemingly possess no brain tissue.... When it's working, then it looks really good, effective, impressive. When it isn't, then it's awful. And like so many who have played in that position over the years, Tanner doesn't possess the intelligence to change, to think differently, to adjust himself. He bravely battles on on and continues to do the same things that didn't work previously, it's because he doesn't know how to change or adjust, he is obviously too daft to learn or just a victim of coaches who saw a wide player with some ability and thought that was enough to get him through. We have a few players like it,and i see it in younger players which leads me to the question, Is being adaptable on a football pitch coached into these players? Can it be coached into them, or is the modern day coach stripping individualism out of young players?
Individuality definitely getting coached out under current training protocols
There was perhaps an overreaction to the win on Saturday, it was good at times and a solid start.
Yesterday was pretty bad and were extremely lucky to have gotten a point. It wasn't as if we defended well, they had a 3 or 4 good chances, some free headers that they really should have put away.
Going forward, maybe only the Salech effort from outside the box was noteworthy.
We looked ragged, sloppy and didn't work hard enough to pick up anywhere near enough of the second balls. When Vale went longer, which they mostly did, we were outmuscled almost every time.
Those weaknesses will be exploited and targeted even by the better footballing sides. We were a soft touch all last season and nothing has been done about it.
I won't blame BBM or the younger players, I'm sure over the season they will become sharper, fitter and more accustomed to the system they are being asked to play. I believe we will still score plenty but also concede far too many to be near the top.
It boils down to fan expectations as to how we view the performances this season. If it's a reset season, bringing through and getting league minutes into the younger players, maybe around mid table then those 2 performances and the inconsistency is about right.
If people are really expecting promotion, which the board indicated but haven't really backed up then I feel people are going to get a bit upset every other week.
The takeover seemingly not happening is a massive negative as it feels as though Tan and the club are happy to tread water which is ultimately what we were doing in the champ until we couldn't any longer.
We badly need a few quality players into the starting 11 if we really are targeting top 6.
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