Graham Linehan arrest

[JamesWales]

Seems to be near universal criticism of this. Will this be the line in the sand that clarifies where we stand on free speech? Armed guards greeting a comedian arriving on a plane for a couple of tweets feels as Orwellian as it gets?

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...linehan-arrest

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Seems to be near universal criticism of this. Will this be the line in the sand that clarifies where we stand on free speech? Armed guards greeting a comedian arriving on a plane for a couple of tweets feels as Orwellian as it gets?

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...linehan-arrest

Aside from the arrest I think hes got himself involved in a nest of vipers with the arguement between his side and the trans lobby

Both factions as bad as each other , very respected as a writer but I think hes unwell with obsession , shame

[Wales-Bales]

Aside from the arrest I think hes got himself involved in a nest of vipers with the arguement between his side and the trans lobby

Both factions as bad as each other , very respected as a writer but I think hes unwell with obsession , shame

It's not about individuals, the goal is to shut everybody up through self-policing through fear.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

It's not about individuals, the goal is to shut everybody up through fear.

Cobblers

[Wales-Bales]

Cobblers

It's Authoritarianism 101 mate.

[Heathblue]

Cobblers

No it isn't, your mate via his deep state bosses is taking the UK to managed anarchy with the net result being the introduction of ID cards in the name of controlling the boat people but capturing the population.
Problem, Reaction, Solution.
David Icke

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

No it isn't, your mate via his deep state bosses is taking the UK to managed anarchy with the net result being the introduction of ID cards in the name of controlling the boat people but capturing the population.
Problem, Reaction, Solution.
David Icke

Does your missus know you are completely off your cake or do you manage to hide it ?

[Tuerto]

No it isn't, your mate via his deep state bosses is taking the UK to managed anarchy with the net result being the introduction of ID cards in the name of controlling the boat people but capturing the population.
Problem, Reaction, Solution.
David Icke

Interesting. What happens when they have the population under control? What's the end game? Controlling people takes a lot of work, time, effort and intelligence, it isn't something that can be done easily. So, what's in it for the people who will end up controlling us?

[Wales-Bales]

No it isn't, your mate via his deep state bosses is taking the UK to managed anarchy with the net result being the introduction of ID cards in the name of controlling the boat people but capturing the population.
Problem, Reaction, Solution.
David Icke

Be careful mate, Organ Morgan got banned for lying about digital id cards!

[Wales-Bales]

Interesting. What happens when they have the population under control? What's the end game? Controlling people takes a lot of work, time, effort and intelligence, it isn't something that can be done easily. So, what's in it for the people who will end up controlling us?

How do they do it in China? It seems to work pretty well over there.

[Tuerto]

How do they do it in China? It seems to work pretty well over there.

That's quite a vague answer. You're deep into the 'Control' thing, so you and others on here who think the same way should try and attempt to outline how control is being implemented and what things will look like in the future.

[lardy]

That's quite a vague answer. You're deep into the 'Control' thing, so you and others on here who think the same way should try and attempt to outline how control is being implemented and what things will look like in the future.

I remember that mask wearing during COVID was talked about on here as being part of this 'control' theory. Which made no sense, as masks made all the facial recognition cameras useless, which were also being used to 'control' us.

And then the government said we didn't need to wear masks. Not to be put off, the government was intending to control us with another pandemic, monkey pox or bird flu were mentioned. But we didn't get a pandemic in the end.

15 minute cities was another. As if the UK, which can't even fill potholes, was going to rebuild all their cities.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

I remember that mask wearing during COVID was talked about on here as being part of this 'control' theory. Which made no sense, as masks made all the facial recognition cameras useless, which were also being used to 'control' us.

And then the government said we didn't need to wear masks. Not to be put off, the government was intending to control us with another pandemic, monkey pox or bird flu were mentioned. But we didn't get a pandemic in the end.

15 minute cities was another. As if the UK, which can't even fill potholes, was going to rebuild all their cities.

These conspiracy types are completely potty

[Taunton Blue Genie]

No it isn't, your mate via his deep state bosses is taking the UK to managed anarchy with the net result being the introduction of ID cards in the name of controlling the boat people but capturing the population.
Problem, Reaction, Solution.
David Icke

Icke: he who claimed that the royal family (of whom I have no time for myself) were shape-shifting lizards.

[Tuerto]

I remember that mask wearing during COVID was talked about on here as being part of this 'control' theory. Which made no sense, as masks made all the facial recognition cameras useless, which were also being used to 'control' us.

And then the government said we didn't need to wear masks. Not to be put off, the government was intending to control us with another pandemic, monkey pox or bird flu were mentioned. But we didn't get a pandemic in the end.

15 minute cities was another. As if the UK, which can't even fill potholes, was going to rebuild all their cities.

It's all very odd. If i was as concerned as some are over being controlled, and lets be honest about this, it's as much as a problem for me as it would be my family etc, then i wouldn't have a Bank account, Passport, vehicle, Home, debt etc. I wouldn't use the services, wouldn't register with a Doctor or go to the Hospital if there was something i needed sorting out. I would never have an online presence, where everything we say floats around forever and can be used against us. I wouldn't use Supermarkets etc. Yet, Seemingly, everyone i know who is convinced that we as a individuals are being controlled are doing some or all of those things. I don't t think that they're that serious about it, in all honesty, Maybe the thought of being controlled is just an extension of their own frustrations.... Right, i'm off, back to my cave......

[Dorcus]

It's all very odd. If i was as concerned as some are over being controlled, and lets be honest about this, it's as much as a problem for me as it would be my family etc, then i wouldn't have a Bank account, Passport, vehicle, Home, debt etc. I wouldn't use the services, wouldn't register with a Doctor or go to the Hospital if there was something i needed sorting out. I would never have an online presence, where everything we say floats around forever and can be used against us. I wouldn't use Supermarkets etc. Yet, Seemingly, everyone i know who is convinced that we as a individuals are being controlled are doing some or all of those things. I don't t think that they're that serious about it, in all honesty, Maybe the thought of being controlled is just an extension of their own frustrations.... Right, i'm off, back to my cave......

My theory is that some people have much too much time on their hands these days. In previous times instead of worrying about control and the deep state they'd be worrying about the price of potatoes.

[lardy]

It's all very odd. If i was as concerned as some are over being controlled, and lets be honest about this, it's as much as a problem for me as it would be my family etc, then i wouldn't have a Bank account, Passport, vehicle, Home, debt etc. I wouldn't use the services, wouldn't register with a Doctor or go to the Hospital if there was something i needed sorting out. I would never have an online presence, where everything we say floats around forever and can be used against us. I wouldn't use Supermarkets etc. Yet, Seemingly, everyone i know who is convinced that we as a individuals are being controlled are doing some or all of those things. I don't t think that they're that serious about it, in all honesty, Maybe the thought of being controlled is just an extension of their own frustrations.... Right, i'm off, back to my cave......

Ironically, they're mostly pro-Trumpers, and Trump is the one refusing entry at immigration for criticising him on social media, forcing media to be onside with him, openly redrawing electoral districts to get him five more seats, etc

[jon1959]

Ironically, they're mostly pro-Trumpers, and Trump is the one refusing entry at immigration for criticising him on social media, forcing media to be onside with him, openly redrawing electoral districts to get him five more seats, etc

And 2016 was the facebook election - where the Trump-Zuckerburg alliance was formed - and where social media data was shared to give the Republicans a critical edge. MAGA 'off grid' bunker dwellers did not complain!

[William Treseder]

It's all very odd. If i was as concerned as some are over being controlled, and lets be honest about this, it's as much as a problem for me as it would be my family etc, then i wouldn't have a Bank account, Passport, vehicle, Home, debt etc. I wouldn't use the services, wouldn't register with a Doctor or go to the Hospital if there was something i needed sorting out. I would never have an online presence, where everything we say floats around forever and can be used against us. I wouldn't use Supermarkets etc. Yet, Seemingly, everyone i know who is convinced that we as an individuals are being controlled are doing some or all of those things. I don't t think that they're that serious about it, in all honesty, Maybe the thought of being controlled is just an extension of their own frustrations.... Right, i'm off, back to my cave......

This did make me laugh, but on a more serious note, are conspiracy theorists any dafter than millions of folk all over the world that believe in invisible Gods and religion, are they dafter than the vast majority of peace loving folk all over the world, that allow a tiny minority of despots to lead them into meaningless wars?

[JamesWales]

In a bit mixed on this really.

I think the idea of some grand conspiracy involving big tech, governments, algorithms and vaccines being a big attempt to control and cajole the population is over the top. The council can't collect our bins on time in many cases, let alone make the above scenarios a reality.

That said, there are a number of systems that are aligning and do impact upon our societies and are in effect an enormous transfer of powers from citizens to big tech and governments.

The role of algorithms, the use of digital systems, face recognition etc are creeping everywhere, every day. Out government may not use them against us (or they may!) but make no mistake that other governments will, and it does create a framework which makes oppression easier.

The best example of this is cashless societies, which would hand control over the financial system at the lowest level possible (buying a loaf of bread) to governments and corporations.

You buy a pint from somewhere using a card or QR code and some tech bro in San Francisco gets rich on it, your bank becomes aware of it and if necessary the government too. It's pretty clear how this can create negative scenarios in the future, just as recording every conversation or tracking every movement would. It also increases inequality introducing middle men into the most simple of financial exchanges.

There's also the issue or who benefits from it. People assume "the government", but it's not just them. It's employers, it's also family members. See the case below between cashless premises and the ability of abusers to track spending and control (mostly) women.

https://inews.co.uk/inews-lifestyle/...xperts-3245595

Technology can free us, but increasing digitalisation can also enslave and is not progressive in my opinion.

So don't always click accept on the cookies, don't always have your phone on, and at least a few times a month get £20 out the bank and spend it. Keep the fkers guessing.

It's subtle and easy but one of the best guards against totalitarianism.

[Wales-Bales]

These conspiracy types are completely potty

I agree. Lardy spent 7 years telling anybody who would listen that Trump was colluding with Russia via a secret Alfa Bank hotline!

[Wales-Bales]

It's all very odd. If i was as concerned as some are over being controlled, and lets be honest about this, it's as much as a problem for me as it would be my family etc, then i wouldn't have a Bank account, Passport, vehicle, Home, debt etc. I wouldn't use the services, wouldn't register with a Doctor or go to the Hospital if there was something i needed sorting out. I would never have an online presence, where everything we say floats around forever and can be used against us. I wouldn't use Supermarkets etc. Yet, Seemingly, everyone i know who is convinced that we as a individuals are being controlled are doing some or all of those things. I don't t think that they're that serious about it, in all honesty, Maybe the thought of being controlled is just an extension of their own frustrations.... Right, i'm off, back to my cave......

So what markers are we looking at here? The conspiracy theory seems to involve a digital id linked to a cbdc, and if one's thoughts go off-script a persons purchasing decisions and the ability to travel freely may be restricted. There also seems to be talk of a carbon rationing system, along with the digital monitoring of everyone's life. This should be very simple to track over the next 5 years or so, and the conspiracy will either be revealed or debunked. Life can be very simple when you want it to be. What say you?

[Mr Ducie]

Does your missus know you are completely off your cake or do you manage to hide it ?

Have you got a missus

[Mr Ducie]

I remember that mask wearing during COVID was talked about on here as being part of this 'control' theory. Which made no sense, as masks made all the facial recognition cameras useless, which were also being used to 'control' us.

And then the government said we didn't need to wear masks. Not to be put off, the government was intending to control us with another pandemic, monkey pox or bird flu were mentioned. But we didn't get a pandemic in the end.

15 minute cities was another. As if the UK, which can't even fill potholes, was going to rebuild all their cities.

They probably were but people were just lining up to comply?

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Have you got a missus

Several at various locations

If I lived in the wild I would probably keep them all in tents in the same village