Manchester terrorist attack.

[the other bob wilson]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cx2703lnww4t

[jon1959]

From what has been reported so far this is a clear anti-Semitic terror attack on Jewish people just because they are Jewish.

It is tragic and disgusting.

It is also a gift to the Israeli government, Starmer and Badenoch, and all the Israeli cheerleaders in the UK and elsewhere.

The continuing mass murders in Gaza weren't getting any MSM coverage anyway - already displaced by the 'Trump plan' although brought back into focus by the flotilla.

But now the media attention will all be on the Manchester atrocity.

[Bluebirdman Of Alcathays]

From what has been reported so far this is a clear anti-Semitic terror attack on Jewish people just because they are Jewish.

It is tragic and disgusting.

It is also a gift to the Israeli government, Starmer and Badenoch, and all the Israeli cheerleaders in the UK and elsewhere.

The continuing mass murders in Gaza weren't getting any MSM coverage anyway - already displaced by the 'Trump plan' although brought back into focus by the flotilla.

But now the media attention will all be on the Manchester atrocity.

You should've stopped after your second line. The rest of it just makes you sound more disappointed about what this will mean.

[Packerman]

You should've stopped after your second line. The rest of it just makes you sound more disappointed about what this will mean.

Just what I was thinking.

[Tuerto]

You should've stopped after your second line. The rest of it just makes you sound more disappointed about what this will mean.

I think what jon is saying is that all of those he mentioned will use this murderous situation as a way of justifying what is happening in Palestine. Jon's views are sincere, the people's that he mentioned aren't. RIP to those that were murdered. It's sickening.

[jon1959]

You should've stopped after your second line. The rest of it just makes you sound more disappointed about what this will mean.

I am disgusted by the attack.

I am disappointed (too tame a word) by the way it is being used by Netanyahu and his echoes.

He was out there within minutes to suggest that recognition of a Palestinian state and opposition to genocide contributed to what happened in Manchester.

Do you have a problem with holding two thoughts in your head at once? Or is it that thinking about another 45 victims in Gaxa on the same day as thinking about the victims in Manchester is (what?) disrespectful?

I was commenting on the media coverage and the political exploitation of the event. Sorry if that offends you.

[jon1959]

Just what I was thinking.

I’m shocked.

[Bluebirdman Of Alcathays]

I am disgusted by the attack.

I am disappointed (too tame a word) by the way it is being used by Netanyahu and his echoes.

He was out there within minutes to suggest that recognition of a Palestinian state and opposition to genocide contributed to what happened in Manchester.

Do you have a problem with holding two thoughts in your head at once? Or is it that thinking about another 45 victims in Gaxa on the same day as thinking about the victims in Manchester is (what?) disrespectful?

I was commenting on the media coverage and the political exploitation of the event. Sorry if that offends you.

I wasn't offended. (You seem a bit touchy, mind). I was pointing out your obvious disappointment and derisive comments about gifts and "Israeli cheerleaders". People have been killed in another terrorist attack in this country. What do you think the media is going to focus on on the day of the event?

[jon1959]

I wasn't offended. (You seem a bit touchy, mind). I was pointing out your obvious disappointment and derisive comments about gifts and "Israeli cheerleaders". People have been killed in another terrorist attack in this country. What do you think the media is going to focus on on the day of the event?

The media are of course focussing on the events - but they are also giving major coverage to the 'political response' where Netanyahu and Sa'ar are prominent. The media are able (in their own way) to combine attention to a terrorist attack with the way domestic and international politicians have responded. As this is a football message board and not a condolence book, maybe we can do the same?

[JamesWales]

We all knew the next attack would come from someone who marched with the free Palestine lot rather than the Tommy Robinson lot.

What a historical change.

[Dave Blue]

The media are of course focussing on the events - but they are also giving major coverage to the 'political response' where Netanyahu and Sa'ar are prominent. The media are able (in their own way) to combine attention to a terrorist attack with the way domestic and international politicians have responded. As this is a football message board and not a condolence book, maybe we can do the same?

You are totally correct. Out they come tomorrow, the Mail and Telegraph blaming Starmer for the attack.

[Bluebirdman Of Alcathays]

The media are of course focussing on the events - but they are also giving major coverage to the 'political response' where Netanyahu and Sa'ar are prominent. The media are able (in their own way) to combine attention to a terrorist attack with the way domestic and international politicians have responded. As this is a football message board and not a condolence book, maybe we can do the same?

The media are going to ask prominent figures for their response. These figures are now, according to you, Netanyahu and Sa'ar, even though earlier you said Starmer, Badenoch and Israeli cheerleaders everywhere. I've just checked on the BBC news website - Netanyahu and Sa'ar aren't even on the front page.

If you want to talk about the political response that's up to you. I'm saying your "critique" of the political response is riddled with disappointment that your footing on the moral high ground is not as firm as you'd like.

[JamesWales]

You are totally correct. Out they come tomorrow, the Mail and Telegraph blaming Starmer for the attack.

Heres an idea. Don't demonise the Mail and Telegraph.

If you want to demonise groups on here, look to those that promote the kind of views this guy may have been influenced by

[jon1959]

The media are going to ask prominent figures for their response. These figures are now, according to you, Netanyahu and Sa'ar, even though earlier you said Starmer, Badenoch and Israeli cheerleaders everywhere. I've just checked on the BBC news website - Netanyahu and Sa'ar aren't even on the front page.

If you want to talk about the political response that's up to you. I'm saying your "critique" of the political response is riddled with disappointment that your footing on the moral high ground is not as firm as you'd like.

My critique is ‘riddled’ with frustration that an atrocity in Manchester will be used (by Netanyahu, Sa’ar, Starmer and Badenoch) to deflect from the continuing genocide in Gaza. How you use this murderous incident as a comment on a supposed ‘moral high ground’ is another sad outcome of this shocking incident.

Anti semitic terror attacks have nothing to do with the Palestine solidarity movement. It should be, and has been, condemned from the Palestine solidarity movement and from the British muslim community (although they have no more responsibility to do so than you or me).

The Prime Minister and the Foreign Minister of a terrorist state are denouncing terrorism (but only the terrorism they don’t commit themselves) and using the deaths and injuries in Manchester for their own political purposes. As reported by the BBC!

[the other bob wilson]

Heres an idea. Don't demonise the Mail and Telegraph.

If you want to demonise groups on here, look to those that promote the kind of views this guy may have been influenced by

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2njqz8gg8o

The Mail and Telegraph front pages clearly go a stage further than the other papers - how are they trying to lower the temperature in this country with headlines like that? They’re pouring petrol on the flames just as the killer did yesterday. I can’t knock the blanket coverage of what happened yesterday, but it looks like, just as in Southport, it was the work of one man - while the enormous elephant in the room that is the now confirmed genocide in Gaza is being ignored in the manner it is by major politicians in Europe and the USA, my surprise is that we’re not seeing more incidents like this.

[Dorcus]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2njqz8gg8o

The Mail and Telegraph front pages clearly go a stage further than the other papers - how are they trying to lower the temperature in this country with headlines like that? They’re pouring petrol on the flames just as the killer did yesterday. I can’t knock the blanket coverage of what happened yesterday, but it looks like, just as in Southport, it was the work of one man - while the enormous elephant in the room that is the now confirmed genocide in Gaza is being ignored in the manner it is by major politicians in Europe and the USA, my surprise is that we’re not seeing more incidents like this.

The Mail's headlines are particularly outrageous and egregious. Why on Earth are they conflating "woke this" and "lefty that" with this awful act of violence? This ridiculous nonsense just seems like it's being used as yet another opportunity to further incite culture war rubbish. And what was the point of describing the murderer as "a Briton of Syrian descent"? The guy is a Briton, full stop: live with it.

[Bluebirdman Of Alcathays]

My critique is ‘riddled’ with frustration that an atrocity in Manchester will be used (by Netanyahu, Sa’ar, Starmer and Badenoch) to deflect from the continuing genocide in Gaza. How you use this murderous incident as a comment on a supposed ‘moral high ground’ is another sad outcome of this shocking incident.

You've gone full circle with the projection. Accusing you of something isn't "another sad outcome" or taking advantage of a tragedy.

[jon1959]

You've gone full circle with the projection. Accusing you of something isn't "another sad outcome" or taking advantage of a tragedy.

Projection? If you were not conflating this terrorist attack with solidarity actions in defence of Gaza - what were you doing?

What else could you mean by 'your footing on the moral high ground is not as firm as you'd like'?

That is Netanyahu's play book - which was exactly the point I was making. Netanyahu is taking full advantage of the tragedy (as are other politicians). Your view seemed to be that no one should point that out or discuss it on this forum. The UK government is in the same place:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckgy8kvvkp3o

Thankfully it appears this was an isolated event - not part of a wave of IS inspired attacks across Europe as was suggested when Starmer abandoned the international meeting in Denmark and convened COBRA.

[Bluebirdman Of Alcathays]

Projection? If you were not conflating this terrorist attack with solidarity actions in defence of Gaza - what were you doing?

What else could you mean by 'your footing on the moral high ground is not as firm as you'd like'?

That is Netanyahu's play book - which was exactly the point I was making. Netanyahu is taking full advantage of the tragedy (as are other politicians). Your view seemed to be that no one should point that out or discuss it on this forum. The UK government is in the same place:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckgy8kvvkp3o

Thankfully it appears this was an isolated event - not part of a wave of IS inspired attacks across Europe as was suggested when Starmer abandoned the international meeting in Denmark and convened COBRA.

You couldn't wait to make this tragedy about something else. You didn't just mention Netanyahu at first, but Starmer, Badanoch and "Israeli cheerleaders in the UK and elsewhere". Who are they, exactly? Now you're moving your argument around. Your bias was on show and you were complaining about how this would shunt Gaza out of the news.

I don't use this forum very often, but there have been a couple of times where you've flat out made stuff up to boost your argument. I don't think you argue in good faith.

[jon1959]

You couldn't wait to make this tragedy about something else. You didn't just mention Netanyahu at first, but Starmer, Badanoch and "Israeli cheerleaders in the UK and elsewhere". Who are they, exactly? Now you're moving your argument around. Your bias was on show and you were complaining about how this would shunt Gaza out of the news.

I don't use this forum very often, but there have been a couple of times where you've flat out made stuff up to boost your argument. I don't think you argue in good faith.

I haven't moved my argument at all in this thread. It was and remains shock and anger at an anti Semitic terrorist attack, and anger at the way this has and will be used to close down solidarity action with Palestinians facing genocide. I read the initial statements from Netanyahu before I responded to Paul's OP - which is why I raised the point. It has since been reinforced by senior Labour and Tory politicians who (like Netanyahu, Trump etc) conflate the interests of the Israeli state and government with that of Jewish people around the world. As they are happily conflating this terrorist attack with pro-Palestinian solidarity actions in the UK (see the BBC link above).

As to 'bias', making stuff up and lack of 'good faith', you are entitled to your opinion of me, as I am to my opinion of you. I don't see a meeting of minds any time soon and I aim to be on another local pro-Palestine protest this evening. Not turning up would not be a sign of respect for the Manchester victims - but it would be disrespect for the 53 Palestinians murdered by Israel yesterday!