Trump Announces First Stage Of Israel Gaza Peace Deal 9th October 2025

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I'm amazed these marches affect you so strongly. If you don't like them you can steer clear. I thought you might instead be impressed by the humanity of the support for needless death and suffering. I am, it's so refreshing and heartwarming.

By the way if there were clashes on the march today what on Earth were anti protesters (what the Hell are they supposed to be?) turning up? Clearly only with a mind to invite trouble which it seems they managed to achieve.

Why is there always a few feckwits waving welsh flags at these patriotic rallies ?

Embarrassing

[jon1959]

It’s you who’s being naive. These protests in the UK do fu*k all to change things. If protests and march’s achieved anything other than giving the protesters an achievement of self gratification there wouldn’t be any wars or atrocities. It’s heads of states who start wars and stop wars, not protestors.
If Jon 1959 and others want to help the cause, take sabbaticals and go help the Palestinians by volunteering to help get them back on their feet.
Standing at protests and going on marches holding up banners is like pissing into the wind.

I missed this line before. FWIW I have been financially supporting Friends of Hebron (in the West Bank) for years along with a few other smaller Palestinian civil society organisations. If you are interested in learning more or giving your own support, there is a link below:

https://www.hebronfriends.org

As to taking a sabbatical and going to Palestine to volunteer, I doubt a British pensioner with my skillset is what is needed. 'Getting back on their feet' will be helped more by getting the aid in, reconstruction (especially the hospitals and essential infrastructure for power and clean water) and stopping the mass murder of civilians. We can all influence that from here in the UK - if we want to!

[jon1959]

I'm amazed these marches affect you so strongly. If you don't like them you can steer clear. I thought you might instead be impressed by the humanity of the support for needless death and suffering. I am, it's so refreshing and heartwarming.

By the way if there were clashes on the march today what on Earth were anti protesters (what the Hell are they supposed to be?) turning up? Clearly only with a mind to invite trouble which it seems they managed to achieve.

The 'counter demonstrators' have been at every Palestine demonstration since November 2023. They are small in number (between 30 and 150 people when the demonstrations have been 120,000 - 800,000) and up to now always static. On one a year ago there were two small counter demonstrations, but it is usually one.

They have a very loud sound system to play IDF Pop music (it really is a thing!), wave Israeli, English, British and sometimes Indian (Hindu Nationalists from Modi's party are big Israel fans) flags, hold placards that deny war crimes or starvation - and accuse the marchers of being Hamas, and that is usually it.

They are normally screened by a line of police and a thicker line of stewards from the march organising committee - intended to stop any direct confrontation. I have never heard of any incidents or arrests around these counter protests in the past 2 years.

This time a number of these 'counter demonstrators ' seem to have deliberately joined the march with their own chants and placards. The police said they had breached the conditions of their protest and made arrests!

[Dorcus]

The 'counter demonstrators' have been at every Palestine demonstration since November 2023. They are small in number (between 30 and 150 people when the demonstrations have been 120,000 - 800,000) and up to now always static. On one a year ago there were two small counter demonstrations, but it is usually one.

They have a very loud sound system to play IDF Pop music (it really is a thing!), wave Israeli, English, British and sometimes Indian (Hindu Nationalists from Modi's party are big Israel fans) flags, hold placards that deny war crimes or starvation - and accuse the marchers of being Hamas, and that is usually it.

They are normally screened by a line of police and a thicker line of stewards from the march organising committee - intended to stop any direct confrontation. I have never heard of any incidents or arrests around these counter protests in the past 2 years.

This time a number of these 'counter demonstrators ' seem to have deliberately joined the march with their own chants and placards. The police said they had breached the conditions of their protest and made arrests!

Good: I hope they get their just desserts

[Dorcus]

Why is there always a few feckwits waving welsh flags at these patriotic rallies ?

Embarrassing

You know the Welsh, anything for a party.

[William Treseder]

Quite.

You never replied to this



genuinely curious

Spent 2 weeks on a picket line in a previous job yrs ago. Union leaders still got paid, while we listened to what we thought was a union fighting our corner. Turned out they more or less sold us down the river. Cosmic !

[stevo]

This is a bizarre post, I'm not sure if you're being incredibly naive or deliberately obtuse.



^ by your own admission, the list of reasons in his answer as to why people are still protesting haven't been achieved yet but at the same time you can't understand why people are still protesting?

I'm incredibly thankful that there's currently a ceasefire of sorts, and although I think Trump is a sociopathic wannabe dictator I think his unique style of diplomacy is a big part why it's happened so although I wish he'd pushed 9 months ago to stop a genocide rather than fund it, I give him credit for that. But your posts take a wildly simplistic view of the situation, all the issues that existed before Oct 7th haven't been fixed by what's happened since, the last two years haven't been a blip in an otherwise stable region.

The fight for Palestinian freedom has been going on for a long long time, you might not care and that's your business, but I don't understand the sneering at someone like Jon1959 who cares about something bigger than his own 4 walls and puts his money where his mouth is by protesting etc.

And I'm sorry but your last sentence is utterly ridiculous. Maybe you only care about you and your own, or maybe you care about bigger issues but not enough to try and do your small bit to help them - that's your right and you're not alone in that (in fact you're probably in a big majority). But not everybody is built that way, and aiming potshots from the sidelines at people who give a shit about causes unrelated to them isn't something to be proud of.

Well said

[Wales-Bales]

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I'm with Titania on this!

[William Treseder]

Well said

Ahh, he’s back. You never answered my question about Trump.

[goats]

I see Hamas have troops pouring back into Gaza to “maintain order”, that will go down well with IDF whose main purpose was to get rid of them all allegedly. This ceasefire lark might not last a week

[goats]

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I'm with Titania on this!

That’s going to be one long struggle as their will never be peace there now after the last two years

[jon1959]

After killing more Palestinian civilians on Thursday - after announcing its acceptance of the ceasefire - it seems there have been no more breaches in the past couple of days. Hopefully it will hold.

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east...e-deal/3713217

Israeli and Palestinian hostages, and some Palestinian prisoners are due to be released from tomorrow, and the Rafah crossing should open from Tuesday to allow some aid in (UN supervised). That is Phase 1 - and welcome.

The Israeli press spokesperson (usually speaks for Netanyahu himself more than the government) said 'There is no Phase 2'! If Trump lets that go the process will collapse.

[Dorcus]

I think all we can realistically hope for and expect is a temporary truce, the return of the remaining hostages alive and well and a chance for the poor souls of Gaza to grab some respite. This is no war, so there is no end to the war: this is mass slaughter and the conflict persists. Anyone who thinks this sore can be healed quickly is either naiive or delusional.

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I think all we can realistically hope for and expect is a temporary truce, the return of the remaining hostages alive and well and a chance for the poor souls of Gaza to grab some respite. This is no war, so there is no end to the war: this is mass slaughter and the conflict persists. Anyone who thinks this sore can be healed quickly is either naiive or delusional.

The world needs to show some bollocks and a multi nation peacekeeping force sent in for a few years whilst rebuilding takes place

Thats the only way of stopping further israeli encouchment

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I'm with Titania on this!

Honestly is there nothing some of you won't fall for, it's a parody account https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titania_McGrath

[William Treseder]

I think all we can realistically hope for and expect is a temporary truce, the return of the remaining hostages alive and well and a chance for the poor souls of Gaza to grab some respite. This is no war, so there is no end to the war: this is mass slaughter and the conflict persists. Anyone who thinks this sore can be healed quickly is either naiive or delusional.

This mass slaughter was brought on by the initial attack by Hamas. You and others in this thread, never seem to mention that bit. Let’s make no mistake here. If Hamas were able, they’d commit genocide in Israel. Difficult to create lasting peace when 2 sides hate each other.
Land grabbing, money and religion has always, and always will scupper global peace and harmony.

[William Treseder]

Honestly is there nothing some of you won't fall for, it's a parody account https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titania_McGrath

I think WB knew that. Just like Jon 1959’s link to Israel still attacking Palestine yesterday.

[Dorcus]

This mass slaughter was brought on by the initial attack by Hamas. You and others in this thread, never seem to mention that bit. Let’s make no mistake here. If Hamas were able, they’d commit genocide in Israel. Difficult to create lasting peace when 2 sides hate each other.
Land grabbing, money and religion has always, and always will scupper global peace and harmony.

It was hardly proportional and the innocents who were slaughtered had nothing at all to do with the initial attack. Get your teeth into that ethical breach. Why talk about hypothetical Hamas genocide while neatly side stepping real ongoing genocide?

Land grabbing is right, remember this was an invasion of Palestine land. The Israelis should treat them as nobility rather than destroying them.

[William Treseder]

It was hardly proportional and the innocents who were slaughtered had nothing at all to do with the initial attack. Get your teeth into that ethical breach. Why talk about hypothetical Hamas genocide while neatly side stepping real ongoing genocide?

Land grabbing is right, remember this was an invasion of Palestine land. The Israelis should treat them as nobility rather than destroying them.

Millions of innocents get slaughtered in all wars. That’s the human price paid.
Are you saying Israel should have killed the exact amount of people that Hamas did, just to make it fair? If Hamas hadn’t have initiated this initial round of violence, the numbers would have been a lot less on both side these last 2 yrs.
Get your teeth into that 👍

[Heathblue]

AI sourced
How many presidents during this period ?
CCMB the usual suspects, it's Trumps fault!!!
TDS is real.

Key Phases of the Conflict1948–1967: Gaza under Egyptian control; Palestinian fedayeen raids and Israeli reprisals.
1967–1987: Israeli occupation of Gaza; growing Palestinian resistance.
1987–1993: First Intifada, a Palestinian uprising against Israeli rule.
1993–2005: Oslo Accords, partial Palestinian Authority control, Second Intifada (2000–2005).
2005–Present: Israel’s withdrawal from Gaza (2005), Hamas control (2007), blockade, and recurring wars (2008–2009, 2012, 2014, 2021, 2023–present).

[Dorcus]

Millions of innocents get slaughtered in all wars. That’s the human price paid.
Are you saying Israel should have killed the exact amount of people that Hamas did, just to make it fair? If Hamas hadn’t have initiated this initial round of violence, the numbers would have been a lot less on both side these last 2 yrs.
Get your teeth into that 👍

Basically as even Jesus said ....turn the other cheek! Difficult yes but there's no escaping the fact that killing innocents is immoral.

[William Treseder]

Basically as even Jesus said ....turn the other cheek! Difficult yes but there's no escaping the fact that killing innocents is immoral.

You and I agree on that. We all live on a planet that has room for all of its inhabitants to live side by side in peace. Humans are fatally flawed though, and the killing of millions of innocents will go on till we all kill each other.
Quite a bizarre existence.

[Elwood Blues]

After killing more Palestinian civilians on Thursday - after announcing its acceptance of the ceasefire - it seems there have been no more breaches in the past couple of days. Hopefully it will hold.

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east...e-deal/3713217

Israeli and Palestinian hostages, and some Palestinian prisoners are due to be released from tomorrow, and the Rafah crossing should open from Tuesday to allow some aid in (UN supervised). That is Phase 1 - and welcome.

The Israeli press spokesperson (usually speaks for Netanyahu himself more than the government) said 'There is no Phase 2'! If Trump lets that go the process will collapse.

I am not sure how much choice Bibi will get.

Trump wants that peace prize next year. Netanyahu may be a necessary sacrifice.

With the Donald anything is possible.

[goats]

I am not sure how much choice Bibi will get.

Trump wants that peace prize next year. Netanyahu may be a necessary sacrifice.

With the Donald anything is possible.

Poor don, no chance with Russia and more chance of us getting promoted to the PL than this ceasefire lasting…..