Sent out to Trust members this morning.

[TDA]

So how are we planning on stopping this coup?

I've posted my understanding of the situation on our board as the same question is being asked there. I'm sure @sloop-jon-bee will correct any inaccuracy.

The sole proposal put forward at this SGM calls for the entire present board to step down and hold an election.

We are voting against that.

Kick that out and we won't have to be concerned about voting for individuals until the scheduled elections take place in 6 months time.

That normal annual election is for 3 members not all 9.

This is why this group is pushing its agenda.

Beat them now and it will take at least 18 months for them to obtain a majority.

[Natman Blue]

I've posted my understanding of the situation on our board as the same question is being asked there. I'm sure @sloop-jon-bee will correct any inaccuracy.

The sole proposal put forward at this SGM calls for the entire present board to step down and hold an election.

We are voting against that.

Kick that out and we won't have to be concerned about voting for individuals until the scheduled elections take place in 6 months time.

That normal annual election is for 3 members not all 9.

This is why this group is pushing its agenda.

Beat them now and it will take at least 18 months for them to obtain a majority.

Which board?

Thanks for the reply, I've signed up on the weekend to try and help stop this nonsense. I'm waiting for the voting info to come out now

[TDA]

Which board?

Thanks for the reply, I've signed up on the weekend to try and help stop this nonsense. I'm waiting for the voting info to come out now

Voting info received this morning .......

I've used this wording that others may wish to copy and paste ...................

Email this to [email protected]

Good morning

I wish to appoint the Chair of Cardiff City Supporters Trust as my Proxy to vote against the Resolution.

Please acknowledge receipt.

Many thanks

Kind regards

(Your name) (membership number ????)

[J R Hartley]

Which board?

Thanks for the reply, I've signed up on the weekend to try and help stop this nonsense. I'm waiting for the voting info to come out now

You're obsessed with A.N.N.I.S. Let it go.

[RichardM]

Voting info received this morning .......

I've used this wording that others may wish to copy and paste ...................

Email this to [email protected]

Good morning

I wish to appoint the Chair of Cardiff City Supporters Trust as my Proxy to vote against the Resolution.

Please acknowledge receipt.

Many thanks

Kind regards

(Your name) (membership number ????)

Thank you

[Mr Ducie]

You're obsessed with A.N.N.I.S. Let it go.

His behaviour towards him is simply bizarre and unacceptable

[Upthebluebirds]

Thank you

If I'm reading it right think you have to forward the original email received today (with all the proxy details) rather than start a new email

[J R Hartley]

If I'm reading it right think you have to forward the original email received today (with all the proxy details) rather than start a new email

Hiya Keith

[Mr Ducie]

Hiya Keith

Rattled.co.uk

[RichardM]

If I'm reading it right think you have to forward the original email received today (with all the proxy details) rather than start a new email

Yes, I saw that on the Trust's website, but I haven't had the email. My mail server bounces the Trust's emails.

[TDA]

If I'm reading it right think you have to forward the original email received today (with all the proxy details) rather than start a new email

I'm not sure how critical that is, but yes, that is what it says and what I didn't mention.

[Upthebluebirds]

Yes, I saw that on the Trust's website, but I haven't had the email. My mail server bounces the Trust's emails.

Any issues re not getting emails contact [email protected].

[Upthebluebirds]

You can always forward again and ask to discard the original email just to be sure.

[Natman Blue]

You're obsessed with A.N.N.I.S. Let it go.

Who mentioned *****? Good of you to admit who is behind it all though. It seems you've confirmed what many suspected so thanks for that 👍

Looks like you're very much in the minority here as well though as many others also feel that this stinks!

[Sloop_Jon_Bee]

Voting info received this morning .......

I've used this wording that others may wish to copy and paste ...................

Email this to [email protected]

Good morning

I wish to appoint the Chair of Cardiff City Supporters Trust as my Proxy to vote against the Resolution.

Please acknowledge receipt.

Many thanks

Kind regards

(Your name) (membership number ????)

[Canton Stand Blue]

Withdrawl of SGM

As we have stated throughout the past 6–8 weeks, our only aim has been to strengthen the Trust. We thank the Board for confirming that we approached them amicably for a conversation on 8 September — a request that was set aside and ultimately left us with no option but to pursue an SGM to gain some traction.
Given the unwarranted hostility from the Board, we have chosen to withdraw our request for an SGM. Despite our repeated efforts to reach common ground, the current Board has shown itself to be unwelcoming of new members and intent on fostering division. The FSA highlighted to us numerous examples of many Trusts caught in internal conflict, who achieved little for years. We have no wish to see our Trust follow the same path.

While we remain confident that our request for an election would have succeeded, we see no value in pursuing it further under such conditions. We will have needed to work together as a group to achieve change, the current Board have made it clear they don't wish to pursue this as an option. A Trust consumed by internal conflict, rather than progress, helps no one.

Actions speak louder than words. While the Board has been quick to highlight its past achievements, progress over the last three years has slowed considerably. Aside from its commendable work on the Football Governance Bill, little of substance has been achieved. Attendance at FAB or FSA meetings is expected, not exceptional, and running a food bank twice a year is admirable but minimal given that there are eight current Board members to share the workload.

Many Board members publicly state that their main goal is to grow the Trust’s membership — particularly among younger supporters — yet:
The Trust has little or no presence on the major social media platforms used by 16–40-year-olds.

YouTube: Account with 2 Subscribers and 1 Video close to 4 years ago

TikTok: No account I could find

Instagram: 55 followers, 2 posts in 12 months

The recurring agenda item on membership growth has been removed from Board meetings. The trust must be more transparent with its membership and detail its successes and failures.

No membership drives are recorded in Trust minutes or on the website in the past five years.
Plans are often mentioned — results are not.

We hope this period prompts the Board to reflect on its practices and refocus on its purpose: to represent all members. The Trust is not a private club; it belongs to its membership.

We believe the Trust must now:
Hold a democratically contested election within six months — the first in five years.

Update the Society Rules to align with current FSA standards. We note it ticks many of the boxes currently missing, including the SGM process the board have noted they've struggled with.

Actively expand its membership, particularly among underrepresented groups.

Implement service-level agreements to ensure timely responses to members. Emails cannot go unanswered for weeks.

Broaden accessibility and engagement by regularly seeking membersÂ’ views and representing them through the FAB, rather than operating in isolation.

Follow due democratic process by allowing members to nominate and elect representatives to external committees such as the FAB — as other Cardiff City supporter bodies do.

We note the BoardÂ’s claim that our SGM proposal would have altered the Society Rules. Ironically, the wording mirrored that of the last two Trust elections published on the website. It appears there is one rule for the Board, and another for its members.

Finally, we thank the FSA for its support and its commitment to monitor and audit the Trust moving forward. We are confident they will be treated with greater respect and cooperation than we have been.

We hope the board will alter course in future and welcome new ideas and members with greater openness. The time for devisive communication and pushing an “us vs them” can come to an end. Now is the time for Trust to back up its words, with action and grow it. The last 6-8 weeks have shown it is possible, without much effort. Membership is the highest it’s been in years and without us even implementing our desired Social media strategy. We hope this is not wasted.

Thanks,
Rhys

[North Cardiff Blue]

Withdrawl of SGM

As we have stated throughout the past 6–8 weeks, our only aim has been to strengthen the Trust. We thank the Board for confirming that we approached them amicably for a conversation on 8 September — a request that was set aside and ultimately left us with no option but to pursue an SGM to gain some traction.
Given the unwarranted hostility from the Board, we have chosen to withdraw our request for an SGM. Despite our repeated efforts to reach common ground, the current Board has shown itself to be unwelcoming of new members and intent on fostering division. The FSA highlighted to us numerous examples of many Trusts caught in internal conflict, who achieved little for years. We have no wish to see our Trust follow the same path.

While we remain confident that our request for an election would have succeeded, we see no value in pursuing it further under such conditions. We will have needed to work together as a group to achieve change, the current Board have made it clear they don't wish to pursue this as an option. A Trust consumed by internal conflict, rather than progress, helps no one.

Actions speak louder than words. While the Board has been quick to highlight its past achievements, progress over the last three years has slowed considerably. Aside from its commendable work on the Football Governance Bill, little of substance has been achieved. Attendance at FAB or FSA meetings is expected, not exceptional, and running a food bank twice a year is admirable but minimal given that there are eight current Board members to share the workload.

Many Board members publicly state that their main goal is to grow the Trust’s membership — particularly among younger supporters — yet:
The Trust has little or no presence on the major social media platforms used by 16–40-year-olds.

YouTube: Account with 2 Subscribers and 1 Video close to 4 years ago

TikTok: No account I could find

Instagram: 55 followers, 2 posts in 12 months

The recurring agenda item on membership growth has been removed from Board meetings. The trust must be more transparent with its membership and detail its successes and failures.

No membership drives are recorded in Trust minutes or on the website in the past five years.
Plans are often mentioned — results are not.

We hope this period prompts the Board to reflect on its practices and refocus on its purpose: to represent all members. The Trust is not a private club; it belongs to its membership.

We believe the Trust must now:
Hold a democratically contested election within six months — the first in five years.

Update the Society Rules to align with current FSA standards. We note it ticks many of the boxes currently missing, including the SGM process the board have noted they've struggled with.

Actively expand its membership, particularly among underrepresented groups.

Implement service-level agreements to ensure timely responses to members. Emails cannot go unanswered for weeks.

Broaden accessibility and engagement by regularly seeking membersÂ’ views and representing them through the FAB, rather than operating in isolation.

Follow due democratic process by allowing members to nominate and elect representatives to external committees such as the FAB — as other Cardiff City supporter bodies do.

We note the BoardÂ’s claim that our SGM proposal would have altered the Society Rules. Ironically, the wording mirrored that of the last two Trust elections published on the website. It appears there is one rule for the Board, and another for its members.

Finally, we thank the FSA for its support and its commitment to monitor and audit the Trust moving forward. We are confident they will be treated with greater respect and cooperation than we have been.

We hope the board will alter course in future and welcome new ideas and members with greater openness. The time for devisive communication and pushing an “us vs them” can come to an end. Now is the time for Trust to back up its words, with action and grow it. The last 6-8 weeks have shown it is possible, without much effort. Membership is the highest it’s been in years and without us even implementing our desired Social media strategy. We hope this is not wasted.

Thanks,
Rhys

[NinianKnight]

Withdrawl of SGM

As we have stated throughout the past 6–8 weeks, our only aim has been to strengthen the Trust. We thank the Board for confirming that we approached them amicably for a conversation on 8 September — a request that was set aside and ultimately left us with no option but to pursue an SGM to gain some traction.
Given the unwarranted hostility from the Board, we have chosen to withdraw our request for an SGM. Despite our repeated efforts to reach common ground, the current Board has shown itself to be unwelcoming of new members and intent on fostering division. The FSA highlighted to us numerous examples of many Trusts caught in internal conflict, who achieved little for years. We have no wish to see our Trust follow the same path.

While we remain confident that our request for an election would have succeeded, we see no value in pursuing it further under such conditions. We will have needed to work together as a group to achieve change, the current Board have made it clear they don't wish to pursue this as an option. A Trust consumed by internal conflict, rather than progress, helps no one.

Actions speak louder than words. While the Board has been quick to highlight its past achievements, progress over the last three years has slowed considerably. Aside from its commendable work on the Football Governance Bill, little of substance has been achieved. Attendance at FAB or FSA meetings is expected, not exceptional, and running a food bank twice a year is admirable but minimal given that there are eight current Board members to share the workload.

Many Board members publicly state that their main goal is to grow the Trust’s membership — particularly among younger supporters — yet:
The Trust has little or no presence on the major social media platforms used by 16–40-year-olds.

YouTube: Account with 2 Subscribers and 1 Video close to 4 years ago

TikTok: No account I could find

Instagram: 55 followers, 2 posts in 12 months

The recurring agenda item on membership growth has been removed from Board meetings. The trust must be more transparent with its membership and detail its successes and failures.

No membership drives are recorded in Trust minutes or on the website in the past five years.
Plans are often mentioned — results are not.

We hope this period prompts the Board to reflect on its practices and refocus on its purpose: to represent all members. The Trust is not a private club; it belongs to its membership.

We believe the Trust must now:
Hold a democratically contested election within six months — the first in five years.

Update the Society Rules to align with current FSA standards. We note it ticks many of the boxes currently missing, including the SGM process the board have noted they've struggled with.

Actively expand its membership, particularly among underrepresented groups.

Implement service-level agreements to ensure timely responses to members. Emails cannot go unanswered for weeks.

Broaden accessibility and engagement by regularly seeking membersÂ’ views and representing them through the FAB, rather than operating in isolation.

Follow due democratic process by allowing members to nominate and elect representatives to external committees such as the FAB — as other Cardiff City supporter bodies do.

We note the BoardÂ’s claim that our SGM proposal would have altered the Society Rules. Ironically, the wording mirrored that of the last two Trust elections published on the website. It appears there is one rule for the Board, and another for its members.

Finally, we thank the FSA for its support and its commitment to monitor and audit the Trust moving forward. We are confident they will be treated with greater respect and cooperation than we have been.

We hope the board will alter course in future and welcome new ideas and members with greater openness. The time for devisive communication and pushing an “us vs them” can come to an end. Now is the time for Trust to back up its words, with action and grow it. The last 6-8 weeks have shown it is possible, without much effort. Membership is the highest it’s been in years and without us even implementing our desired Social media strategy. We hope this is not wasted.

Thanks,
Rhys

Earlier in this thread someone suggested that your group should use the time between now and the elections in 6 months to promote yourselves and explain any plans you may have. I thought that was a particularly good suggestion.

I haven't liked the organized campaign to stop the SGM as it has a whiff of a closed club (the trust board) keeping the status quo of a milingering ST which is frankly going nowhere.

However, I wasn't sure forcing an election through a SGM was the way to go as it does seem like a hostile takeover.

I think this is a good result. Campaign for the 3 seats which will become avaiable. Get on board make a tangible change in direction and at the next election you could win another 3 seats.

That won't be a hostile takeover it will be natural progression by some much needed new blood.

Good luck

[Canton Stand Blue]

Appreciate the comments. WeÂ’ll see, itÂ’s clear there is no desire to modernise at present.

At some point, itÂ’ll need to. Whether thatÂ’s May or a few years time.

[Natman Blue]

Withdrawl of SGM

As we have stated throughout the past 6–8 weeks, our only aim has been to strengthen the Trust. We thank the Board for confirming that we approached them amicably for a conversation on 8 September — a request that was set aside and ultimately left us with no option but to pursue an SGM to gain some traction.
Given the unwarranted hostility from the Board, we have chosen to withdraw our request for an SGM. Despite our repeated efforts to reach common ground, the current Board has shown itself to be unwelcoming of new members and intent on fostering division. The FSA highlighted to us numerous examples of many Trusts caught in internal conflict, who achieved little for years. We have no wish to see our Trust follow the same path.

While we remain confident that our request for an election would have succeeded, we see no value in pursuing it further under such conditions. We will have needed to work together as a group to achieve change, the current Board have made it clear they don't wish to pursue this as an option. A Trust consumed by internal conflict, rather than progress, helps no one.

Actions speak louder than words. While the Board has been quick to highlight its past achievements, progress over the last three years has slowed considerably. Aside from its commendable work on the Football Governance Bill, little of substance has been achieved. Attendance at FAB or FSA meetings is expected, not exceptional, and running a food bank twice a year is admirable but minimal given that there are eight current Board members to share the workload.

Many Board members publicly state that their main goal is to grow the Trust’s membership — particularly among younger supporters — yet:
The Trust has little or no presence on the major social media platforms used by 16–40-year-olds.

YouTube: Account with 2 Subscribers and 1 Video close to 4 years ago

TikTok: No account I could find

Instagram: 55 followers, 2 posts in 12 months

The recurring agenda item on membership growth has been removed from Board meetings. The trust must be more transparent with its membership and detail its successes and failures.

No membership drives are recorded in Trust minutes or on the website in the past five years.
Plans are often mentioned — results are not.

We hope this period prompts the Board to reflect on its practices and refocus on its purpose: to represent all members. The Trust is not a private club; it belongs to its membership.

We believe the Trust must now:
Hold a democratically contested election within six months — the first in five years.

Update the Society Rules to align with current FSA standards. We note it ticks many of the boxes currently missing, including the SGM process the board have noted they've struggled with.

Actively expand its membership, particularly among underrepresented groups.

Implement service-level agreements to ensure timely responses to members. Emails cannot go unanswered for weeks.

Broaden accessibility and engagement by regularly seeking membersÂ’ views and representing them through the FAB, rather than operating in isolation.

Follow due democratic process by allowing members to nominate and elect representatives to external committees such as the FAB — as other Cardiff City supporter bodies do.

We note the BoardÂ’s claim that our SGM proposal would have altered the Society Rules. Ironically, the wording mirrored that of the last two Trust elections published on the website. It appears there is one rule for the Board, and another for its members.

Finally, we thank the FSA for its support and its commitment to monitor and audit the Trust moving forward. We are confident they will be treated with greater respect and cooperation than we have been.

We hope the board will alter course in future and welcome new ideas and members with greater openness. The time for devisive communication and pushing an “us vs them” can come to an end. Now is the time for Trust to back up its words, with action and grow it. The last 6-8 weeks have shown it is possible, without much effort. Membership is the highest it’s been in years and without us even implementing our desired Social media strategy. We hope this is not wasted.

Thanks,
Rhys

They have no one else to blame for the reaction they got from the board other than themselves. They're actions prompted that reaction as did the activities and words of a few on both a message board and on Twitter. When you stage things in the manner of a hostile takeover then I don't know what else you should expect in reply 🤷

[J R Hartley]

Withdrawl of SGM

As we have stated throughout the past 6–8 weeks, our only aim has been to strengthen the Trust. We thank the Board for confirming that we approached them amicably for a conversation on 8 September — a request that was set aside and ultimately left us with no option but to pursue an SGM to gain some traction.
Given the unwarranted hostility from the Board, we have chosen to withdraw our request for an SGM. Despite our repeated efforts to reach common ground, the current Board has shown itself to be unwelcoming of new members and intent on fostering division. The FSA highlighted to us numerous examples of many Trusts caught in internal conflict, who achieved little for years. We have no wish to see our Trust follow the same path.

While we remain confident that our request for an election would have succeeded, we see no value in pursuing it further under such conditions. We will have needed to work together as a group to achieve change, the current Board have made it clear they don't wish to pursue this as an option. A Trust consumed by internal conflict, rather than progress, helps no one.

Actions speak louder than words. While the Board has been quick to highlight its past achievements, progress over the last three years has slowed considerably. Aside from its commendable work on the Football Governance Bill, little of substance has been achieved. Attendance at FAB or FSA meetings is expected, not exceptional, and running a food bank twice a year is admirable but minimal given that there are eight current Board members to share the workload.

Many Board members publicly state that their main goal is to grow the Trust’s membership — particularly among younger supporters — yet:
The Trust has little or no presence on the major social media platforms used by 16–40-year-olds.

YouTube: Account with 2 Subscribers and 1 Video close to 4 years ago

TikTok: No account I could find

Instagram: 55 followers, 2 posts in 12 months

The recurring agenda item on membership growth has been removed from Board meetings. The trust must be more transparent with its membership and detail its successes and failures.

No membership drives are recorded in Trust minutes or on the website in the past five years.
Plans are often mentioned — results are not.

We hope this period prompts the Board to reflect on its practices and refocus on its purpose: to represent all members. The Trust is not a private club; it belongs to its membership.

We believe the Trust must now:
Hold a democratically contested election within six months — the first in five years.

Update the Society Rules to align with current FSA standards. We note it ticks many of the boxes currently missing, including the SGM process the board have noted they've struggled with.

Actively expand its membership, particularly among underrepresented groups.

Implement service-level agreements to ensure timely responses to members. Emails cannot go unanswered for weeks.

Broaden accessibility and engagement by regularly seeking membersÂ’ views and representing them through the FAB, rather than operating in isolation.

Follow due democratic process by allowing members to nominate and elect representatives to external committees such as the FAB — as other Cardiff City supporter bodies do.

We note the BoardÂ’s claim that our SGM proposal would have altered the Society Rules. Ironically, the wording mirrored that of the last two Trust elections published on the website. It appears there is one rule for the Board, and another for its members.

Finally, we thank the FSA for its support and its commitment to monitor and audit the Trust moving forward. We are confident they will be treated with greater respect and cooperation than we have been.

We hope the board will alter course in future and welcome new ideas and members with greater openness. The time for devisive communication and pushing an “us vs them” can come to an end. Now is the time for Trust to back up its words, with action and grow it. The last 6-8 weeks have shown it is possible, without much effort. Membership is the highest it’s been in years and without us even implementing our desired Social media strategy. We hope this is not wasted.

Thanks,
Rhys

You're pissing in the wind, Rhys. The Trust is a closed shop.

[the other bob wilson]

You're pissing in the wind, Rhys. The Trust is a closed shop.

I must have imagined the around 150 new members Clive and I registered in the past ten weeks or so then - the Trust may be a lot of things, but it can hardly be called a closed shop.

[Upthebluebirds]

Earlier in this thread someone suggested that your group should use the time between now and the elections in 6 months to promote yourselves and explain any plans you may have. I thought that was a particularly good suggestion.

I haven't liked the organized campaign to stop the SGM as it has a whiff of a closed club (the trust board) keeping the status quo of a milingering ST which is frankly going nowhere.

However, I wasn't sure forcing an election through a SGM was the way to go as it does seem like a hostile takeover.

I think this is a good result. Campaign for the 3 seats which will become avaiable. Get on board make a tangible change in direction and at the next election you could win another 3 seats.

That won't be a hostile takeover it will be natural progression by some much needed new blood.

Good luck

Let's clear this up. The Trust board is not a closed shop. Any member can stand for election every year. In fact, three new members of the Trust joined the board in 2024 and 2025. New members who make a positive contribution are always welcome.

[Trigger]

Earlier in this thread someone suggested that your group should use the time between now and the elections in 6 months to promote yourselves and explain any plans you may have. I thought that was a particularly good suggestion.

I haven't liked the organized campaign to stop the SGM as it has a whiff of a closed club (the trust board) keeping the status quo of a milingering ST which is frankly going nowhere.

However, I wasn't sure forcing an election through a SGM was the way to go as it does seem like a hostile takeover.

I think this is a good result. Campaign for the 3 seats which will become avaiable. Get on board make a tangible change in direction and at the next election you could win another 3 seats.

That won't be a hostile takeover it will be natural progression by some much needed new blood.

Good luck

As someone that isn't entirely clued up on the trust workings. Is it ok that this appears to be a group of people working together to gain position within the trust? More that they appear very open about it.

Whilst i'm sure many people have influence on others (often without intention) it seems a bit strange and counterproductive to me that you may have two or three groups within something like the trust that don't see eye to eye.

What are the rules on this type of thing?

[Baloo]

Tbh, I’d feel more confident new members know just how to reach younger audiences and improve communications if these posts weren’t written like carefully crafted news releases.

It all just seems rather formal, traditional and old-school. A conversational style is far more engaging and appropriate imo.