Reply With QuoteI reckon that a fair percentage are xenophobes and racists. They want their country back... Apparently...Originally Posted by JamesWales
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I really wouldn't be so confident in that, but I sense you are wedded to that position!
I reckon that a fair percentage are xenophobes and racists. They want their country back... Apparently...
And very few can read and write properly. I'll bet a million Monopoly money that very very many hang the Union Jack upside down too: years ago that was treasonable!
We know that the first organised campaign to display flags called ‘Operation Raise the Colours’ was started by a former freak of the EDL who calls himself Andy Saxon and Britain First paid for the flags.
Interesting reasons behind the explosion of identity isn’t it?
Andy Saxon FFS! 🤣
You know what you want to say. Nearly there
I'm 100% confident.
I got the bus from Rhiwbina to the city centre this morning and then walked from the castle to sunny Splott. Not a single Union Jack in sight anywhere along my route. The lampposts and bridges were totally free of flags. No 'explosion of identity' in the capital city of Wales, it seems. Weird, huh? I guess the people around here must save their overt displays of 'patriotism' for special occasions such as sporting events.
Not really, no. You see it in some places, not in others. The point is why you think you know the motivation behind every single person displaying their national flag. If you are such a fountain of knowledge then you are wasted riding the bus from Rhiwbina! The reality is you don't know that. You are projecting an opinion based on your own assumptions, and in doing so, being far more divisive than someone displaying a flag (strange as it may be) that belongs to everyone.
I haven't claimed to know the motivation behind every single person displaying their national flag. I'm 100% confident I know the motivation behind the vast majority who are involved in this nonsense, though. That comes with 58 years of experience of living in the UK.
As for me being far more divisive than the lamppost brigade, if you genuinely believe that, you're even more stupid than I thought you were.
Here's my opinion: if a bunch of moronic racists, bigots and xenophobes want to tie Union Jacks made in China to lampposts in England, then so be it. I couldn't really care less. It doesn't affect me directly as I live in Cardiff. I do find it funny, though. A bit depressing perhaps if you think about it too much, but I try not to.
These 'patriots' do puzzle me, though. It seems most of them don't like the British government, the British police, the British judiciary, the British media and large swathes of the British public. So what is it that they're actually proud of? It can't be the weather, surely?
Nothing says "I'm not a divisive person" quite like casually dropping in the words moronic, stupid, bigot, xenophobe and racist into a topic you profess to not care about!
I wonder if the window of that bus you looked out of gave back much of a reflection?!
I'm not a racist, a bigot, a xenophobe or a moron, so I wouldn't have seen any of those in my reflection. I'd have probably seen a tired bald bloke in his late-fifties who wastes far too much time talking to idiots on a football message board.
I have a question for you: when you're issuing forth these holier-than-thou, sanctimonious missives in defence of the lamppost flag hangers, the roundabout painters, etc, how stupid do you believe the people you are addressing actually are? I ask because I've got a feeling you're misjudging your audience on here.
James were you living under a rock last year when people were rioting across the UK for days on end, setting fire to hotels housing immigrants and in places like Middlesbrough dragging people out of cars if they were a certain race.
All whilst waving flags, being hostile, drinking on the street (true patriots protecting our children) and using intimidation against people that have lived in the UK for a number of years.
If you think people suddenly flying flags across lampposts, from windows, bridges and marching through central London with Tommy Robinson as their hero isnÂ’t a follow on from this and the vile rhetoric of him, farage etc then you need your head tested. In reality you know that in the case though but youÂ’d rather skirt round the issue whilst encouraging it than just say it though. And that is exactly why reform has so much support.
Hate crimes are up, youÂ’ve got local takeaways being defaced (the irony being the same idiots will be ordering from a different one), minorities being ostracised and youÂ’re trying to claim we donÂ’t know why Dave, 52, is flying a flag from his house all of a sudden.
I know, it's an imaginative self proclaimed name, a real expression of identity and patriotism!
Hang on, James Wales????
Do you mind? I'm 58 and the only time I've flown a flag from my house was the week before the FA Cup final.
Do you mind? I'm 58 and the only time I've flown a flag from my house was the week before the FA Cup final.
I can only think your constant defence and excuses for these flag wrappers is your open university sociology and psychology masters thesis
Forget it and stop poncing about , these people are rabid idiots further to the right than Ghengis Khan
You can see the mess 'merica has (gotten?) into by uneducated morons wrapping themselves in flags and spouting the gospel. Please spare us from the disaster
But on this, you are absolutely sounding like the very definition of a bigot.
You (and others) throw these accusations around. Make wild insulting claims about groups of people who you don't know and assume they all think the same and have the same motivation, when they don't. You don't know them, I doubt you know any of them. Birchgrove Pub even seemed to imply the national flag of the UK doesn't represent minority groups. Quite a take!
That's why I asked if the bus window you peered/sneered out of had any reflection. It seems it didn't, because you are displaying the very traits you accuse others of.
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Could you be bothered asking Dave aged 52 why he’s all of a sudden doing that, or would you just rather call him a moronic racist bigoted xenophobe.
Dave aged 52 has probably worked all his life, paid taxes and funded the NHS, only to see his own government spend much needed funds on housing and feeding illegal immigrants.
Dave may not be in cahoots with the extreme right wing nutters, but maybe feeling his voice isn’t being heard, and because he doesn’t agree with housing and feeding illegal immigrants, then he’s obviously, and lazily gonna be labeled as one of those moronic racist bigoted xenophobes that you, TLG and others on here like to bandy about, when it suits them.
The way you steamed in with the insults toward me earlier in the thread, and telling me to go paint a roundabout, I kinda now how Dave aged 52 may be feeling for merely questioning the government, and flying a flag.
You say a lot but nothing of any substance
The substance is that making blanket derogatory statements about whole groups of people is unhelpful and divisive.
That's essentially what I am saying, and I'll always stick by that, whatever group is being talked about👍
I have spoken to plenty of people like this and no one can ever give me an answer without it inevitably coming full circle to the main issue of there’s too many foreigners. They don’t care whether those people have been here 5 minutes or 20 years, they’re all lumped in together. They don’t care if they’re here illegally or legally, they’re all lumped in together.
The majority love catch phrases like “look after our own” whilst having zero idea of the meaning behind it. Let’s be fair you don’t have a clue how much your local council spends on “housing and feeding” immigrants but let’s be clear in the grand scheme of things it is minuscule in comparison to other spending across the UK. Immigrants prop up our NHS (nearly 40% of all NHS consultants were born overseas) but people are fed the narrative to blame immigrants for them not getting a hospital appointment and fall for it. When the reality is very different.
Still yet to hear anyone behind a reform policy (have they even announced any yet?) that doesn’t come back to let’s get rid of foreigners as if that will solve their problems in paying the rent every month. Driven by social media, right wing grifters and people hungry for fame who have spotted an opportunity to do the dirty work for the people pulling the strings well above them (and political parties) and gain some notoriety off the back of it.
If Dave 52 has probably worked all his life, paid taxes and funded the NHS why on Earth should he be concerned about the Government feeding and housing immigrants? It's nothing to do with Dave 52.
If Dave 52 has probably worked all his life then he's unlikely to be homeless and he has enough to feed himself at the very least: if he's paid his taxes then he's unlikely to be in trouble with the Revenue and if he's paid into the NHS then hopefully he can get the necessary treatment if he falls ill. Oh and incidentally, receive treatment by many of the immigrants he griping about!!!
It all sounds like sour grapes to me. If Dave 52 honestly believes that stopping funds to immigrants will be diverted back into his pocket then he's sadly deluded. Any savings will inevitably be given away to higher earners as tax breaks. It's not the immigrants that's Dave 52's adversaries, it's the rich elite who milk us for all they can get and control the politics to boot.
You’ve ignored plenty of questions in this thread alone
According to your definition, that would involve me having "strong, unreasonable beliefs..."
My beliefs on this subject are not in the least bit unreasonable. Explosion of identity? Give me a break.
If you want to pretend these morons are putting up flags to express their 'exploding' identity, then bully for you. The fact is that anyone with a brain bigger than a peanut knows what's really happening, and why it's happening now when it's never happened before.
Before we know it you'll be telling us Tommy Ten Names and his fan club are virtuous individuals who have the very best of intentions.
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