Are we at the stage where there's a major rebuild needed?

[AfricanBluebird]

We've needed a rebuild for years IMO.

The rebuild starts at what type of football you want to play and therefore what type of players you sign and develop through the youth ranks. This also fits in with the style of manager.

We lurch from one thing to the next with seemingly no strategy.

The blame for that sits with the board.

Aye, that's succinctly put there Flashman.

You can see that a director of football would really be of value for city at this juncture. Someone who can oversee the footballing side of things across the age groups and coaching staff / approaches.

I think most city fans would be happy with a few years in the championship IF they are seeing progress on the footballing side of things.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

Aye, that's succinctly put there Flashman.

You can see that a director of football would really be of value for city at this juncture. Someone who can oversee the footballing side of things across the age groups and coaching staff / approaches.

I think most city fans would be happy with a few years in the championship IF they are seeing progress on the footballing side of things.

Undoubtedly.

As it is, we've not had any progress, just short termism. It all goes back to 2012. When Malky was appointed, he was given 3 years to get the club into the Championship. Because we finished in the playoffs and got to the league cup final, the board decided to reduce that time to 2 years - the year we won the Championship the board was expecting promotion.

Ever since then it's been about the here and now. The foundations weren't built for a spell in the Premier League and we came back down. The quality in the side dwindled under Slade's austerity, then we had the short-lived "Cardiff Way" under Trollope, where he tried to get average players playing a Welsh style game.

Warnock added some pace and got the best out of a few players and won promotion, but that covered up the cracks. We were a poor footballing side in the PL that deservedly came back down and we started a new season back in the Championship with a squad low on confidence.

We rarely buy players for peanuts and sell for a profit. We never bring through our own players. We tend to buy and sell on at a loss. It's not sustainable as it is.

[Rjk]

Undoubtedly.

As it is, we've not had any progress, just short termism. It all goes back to 2012. When Malky was appointed, he was given 3 years to get the club into the Championship. Because we finished in the playoffs and got to the league cup final, the board decided to reduce that time to 2 years - the year we won the Championship the board was expecting promotion.

Ever since then it's been about the here and now. The foundations weren't built for a spell in the Premier League and we came back down. The quality in the side dwindled under Slade's austerity, then we had the short-lived "Cardiff Way" under Trollope, where he tried to get average players playing a Welsh style game.

Warnock added some pace and got the best out of a few players and won promotion, but that covered up the cracks. We were a poor footballing side in the PL that deservedly came back down and we started a new season back in the Championship with a squad low on confidence.

We rarely buy players for peanuts and sell for a profit. We never bring through our own players. We tend to buy and sell on at a loss. It's not sustainable as it is.

I think the difference is that 15 or 20 years ago, pretty much every team were haphazard with their appointments, but nowadays we are in a dwindling minority of clubs that don't plan for the longer term, so the effects of it seem more stark.