M25 Blocked in Both Directions

[Hilts]

Genuinely glad you highlighted this so thank you. And thanks to Taunton Blue Genie for sending the link. I don't watch or listen to any mainstream media anymore, I'm not on Twitter or Facebook, this may sound strange but this is the only place I post.

The interview (if it could be called that) was shocking to me. Liam is right. For 30 years + I and many others have been trying desperately hard to raise concerns regarding conservation and the environment. I'm heartbroken at the level of failure. There isn't a single thing that is better now than it was 30 years ago. The level of despondency I feel is off the scale. I can't believe how juvenile the debate is regarding these issues and the governments, shored up by Big Oil etc. have effectively silenced the debate for decades.

Sure, Liam was like a lamb to the slaughter. But the insulation accusations are just a side-show. That's the same old guff we've been up against for decades. I've already acknowledged that the M25 protesters are misguided. But they also have a point. The hostility generated against environmentalists has been decades in the making, so we get called Tree-huggers, loons, scum. When will this sh*t end?

I'm sorry I reacted the way I did yesterday. I'm never too proud to apologise and all I ask is some understanding of the deep frustration I feel.

There are people who will risk their lives for the environment. That's been happening for 30 years too.

Journalism died a long time ago. It's worse now with fake news and social media troll farms. The internet hasn't democratised our voices, it's drowned them out. Again.

My own feeling is that it's too late. I actually feel sick writing those words. I've been shocked at some of the things I read on here but it's a football forum so what you gonna do? But to see the level of humiliation those three people put Liam through is more shocking.

I spent a huge part of my life studying and learning and working and developing medications to make people's lives better. To improve quality of life. To save lives. I feel pissed on if I'm honest. I feel, when I see and hear the same stuff I've been listening to for decades and the same juvenile arguments, I feel like, what was it all for?

I mentioned Cognitive Dissonance to you earlier and it's probably the only thing I can cling to as an explanation of why we're where we are. We, as a society, just can't deal with the consequences of our own actions so reject them outright.

I stress, I'm not picking on you. I guess, after seeing that video, I just wanted to talk to someone, albeit on a football forum.

No worries👍

Sadly Madeley in particular had no interest in anything other than trying to humiliate him , that other woman who was there for the debate couldnt wait to mention his own home and they literally jumped on him.

[Taunton Blue Genie]

No worries��

Sadly Madeley in particular had no interest in anything other than trying to humiliate him , that other woman who was there for the debate couldnt wait to mention his own home and they literally jumped on him.

I try not to wade into some of these discussions as they often go off at ridiculous tangents, posters label and often insult each other and analogies are introduced that rarely help the debate. For my twopenneth, the protestors have not helped their cause by causing indiscriminate disruption that may have led to thousands of problems: operations being cancelled; medical staff, teachers and carers not arriving at work; people losing their income for the hours lost, medical and dental appointments lost etc etc etc. I would imagine that most people stuck on the M25 and millions beside are more resentful to the protestors than sympathise with their actions and, should that be the case, it was therefore not the best course of action. The TV presenters were pretty hopeless but the role of a spokesman is to fend off attack and turn the debate around using rationality and coherence: to convey the message regardless of the circumstances - as it was an opportunity to reach millions of viewers. Instead, the spokesman came over as an idiot and with a notable Achilles heel.
In my opinion, the protestors are responsible for a PR disaster and, sadly, deflected from a worthy cause.

[JamesWales]

I try not to wade into some of these discussions as they often go off at ridiculous tangents, posters label and often insult each other and analogies are introduced that rarely help the debate. For my twopenneth, the protestors have not helped their cause by causing indiscriminate disruption that may have led to thousands of problems: operations being cancelled; medical staff, teachers and carers not arriving at work; people losing their income for the hours lost, medical and dental appointments lost etc etc etc. I would imagine that most people stuck on the M25 and millions beside are more resentful to the protestors than sympathise with their actions and, should that be the case, it was therefore not the best course of action. The TV presenters were pretty hopeless but the role of a spokesman is to fend off attack and turn the debate around using rationality and coherence: to convey the message regardless of the circumstances - as it was an opportunity to reach millions of viewers. Instead, the spokesman came over as an idiot and with a notable Achilles heel.
In my opinion, the protestors are responsible for a PR disaster and, sadly, deflected from a worthy cause.

A fair summary IMO

[the other bob wilson]

I try not to wade into some of these discussions as they often go off at ridiculous tangents, posters label and often insult each other and analogies are introduced that rarely help the debate. For my twopenneth, the protestors have not helped their cause by causing indiscriminate disruption that may have led to thousands of problems: operations being cancelled; medical staff, teachers and carers not arriving at work; people losing their income for the hours lost, medical and dental appointments lost etc etc etc. I would imagine that most people stuck on the M25 and millions beside are more resentful to the protestors than sympathise with their actions and, should that be the case, it was therefore not the best course of action. The TV presenters were pretty hopeless but the role of a spokesman is to fend off attack and turn the debate around using rationality and coherence: to convey the message regardless of the circumstances - as it was an opportunity to reach millions of viewers. Instead, the spokesman came over as an idiot and with a notable Achilles heel.
In my opinion, the protestors are responsible for a PR disaster and, sadly, deflected from a worthy cause.

Cant argue with much of that TBG - right from the first question, he was confrontational and so completely wasted what might have been an opportunity for public sympathy given the aggressive nature of the questioning (especially from the proven liar, former Daily Star editor).