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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    Ronnie I have been through this argument I'd leave it , the arguments and reasons are well known ,the investigations are proving that at least the old defense arguments , are changing from the old days of ""ooooh its just old disgruntled Blairites kicking off "".

    I'm sure there is Islamophobia with parties including the Tories we know Ironically it exists it quite a few some Labour Brextiers and in society .

    The differences between two parties , Labour has admitted it exists in its deputy , and has said it need to be dealt with ,staff members at there HQ have been TV interviewed , the police and
    EHRC are independently Investigating it .



    That's all one can say really ,ones opinions have been superseded by actual events and facts all under investigation.


    Yes, well actually I know an ex Lambeth labour councillor who's privately nuts about Moslems so I'm sure that's not confined to any party and indeed nor is anti semitism.
    As you say, the difference is when one party denies/ justifies it, when it's so widespread that it needs official investigations to be launched, and when grass roots labour voters jump in to deny/ justify the problem .

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    Re: Jewish group walks away from Labour

    Quote Originally Posted by RonnieBird View Post
    Yes, well actually I know an ex Lambeth labour councillor who's privately nuts about Moslems so I'm sure that's not confined to any party and indeed nor is anti semitism.
    As you say, the difference is when one party denies/ justifies it, when it's so widespread that it needs official investigations to be launched, and when grass roots labour voters jump in to deny/ justify the problem .
    I think its fits a narrative and a vote a lot of folk dislike the jew or what it stands for mainly in he name of jealousy and success and that may appeal to voters , so why close it down completely and deliver a real discipline like life bans for the party ,I wonder how long it is before we see Livingstone and Chris Williamson re admitted ?

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    Re: Jewish group walks away from Labour

    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    I think its fits a narrative and a vote a lot of folk dislike the jew or what it stands for mainly in he name of jealousy and success and that may appeal to voters , so why close it down completely and deliver a real discipline like life bans for the party ,I wonder how long it is before we see Livingstone and Chris Williamson re admitted ?
    What, in your opinion, did Chris Williamson MP say or do that was anti-semitic?

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    Re: Jewish group walks away from Labour

    Quote Originally Posted by jon1959 View Post
    What, in your opinion, did Chris Williamson MP say or do that was anti-semitic?
    Ask the Labour party they suspended him ,then tried to reinstate him ,got rebuffed by the courts ,what a lovely man and party they are these days by trying to reinstate him they clearly can't see any problems with this antisemitism :

    And as Boris has a rightful being challenged by the courts its only right I hare the courts view on his behavior and that of the Labour party attempt to reinstate him ::

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...shire-50002636




    An MP has lost his High Court bid to be reinstated to the Labour Party after he was suspended in an anti-Semitism row.

    Chris Williamson was suspended in February after claiming Labour had "been too apologetic" in its response to criticism of handling allegations.

    He was reinstated in June but was suspended again after a backlash from MPs, peers and Jewish groups.

    However the judge also ruled Labour acted unlawfully when it reopened the disciplinary case against the MP.

    The Derby North MP, who raised more than £60,000 to fund his legal challenge, remains suspended from the party but he said he would continue to fight to clear his name.

    'No reason for reopening case'
    In his ruling, Mr Justice Pepperall said the Labour Party "acted unfairly in that there was no proper reason for reopening the case against Mr Williamson".

    However, he said there was "nothing in the new allegations, the timing of the letter of 3 September or the decision to suspend that entitles me to take the view upon the papers that the Labour party is acting either unfairly or other than in good faith".

    "I therefore refuse relief in respect of Mr Williamson's recent re-suspension. The new disciplinary case must run its course," he said.

    Mr Justice Pepperall said: "It is important to stress at the outset of this judgement that this case is not about whether Mr Williamson is, or is not, anti-Semitic or even whether he has, or has not, breached the rules of the Labour Party.

    "The issue is whether the party has acted lawfully in its investigation and prosecution of such charges against Mr Williamson."

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    https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/d...itism-1.490131

    https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/s...itism-1.491121

    https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/e...-jews-1.491112

    These uploads could go on for hours and nasty Boris gets warned about disrespectful language.

    Its so inconsistent

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    Re: Jewish group walks away from Labour

    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/d...itism-1.490131

    https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/s...itism-1.491121

    https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/e...-jews-1.491112

    These uploads could go on for hours and nasty Boris gets warned about disrespectful language.

    Its so inconsistent

    Even the uber Left, pro Palestinian leader of the lib dems thinks Corbyn and Labour are anti Semitic .
    Eric splits hairs between Nazis and socialists , but the only people supporting Herr Corbyn's dream seem to be socialists

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    Re: Jewish group walks away from Labour

    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    Ask the Labour party they suspended him ,then tried to reinstate him ,got rebuffed by the courts ,what a lovely man and party they are these days by trying to reinstate him they clearly can't see any problems with this antisemitism :

    And as Boris has a rightful being challenged by the courts its only right I hare the courts view on his behavior and that of the Labour party attempt to reinstate him ::

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...shire-50002636




    An MP has lost his High Court bid to be reinstated to the Labour Party after he was suspended in an anti-Semitism row.

    Chris Williamson was suspended in February after claiming Labour had "been too apologetic" in its response to criticism of handling allegations.

    He was reinstated in June but was suspended again after a backlash from MPs, peers and Jewish groups.

    However the judge also ruled Labour acted unlawfully when it reopened the disciplinary case against the MP.

    The Derby North MP, who raised more than £60,000 to fund his legal challenge, remains suspended from the party but he said he would continue to fight to clear his name.

    'No reason for reopening case'
    In his ruling, Mr Justice Pepperall said the Labour Party "acted unfairly in that there was no proper reason for reopening the case against Mr Williamson".

    However, he said there was "nothing in the new allegations, the timing of the letter of 3 September or the decision to suspend that entitles me to take the view upon the papers that the Labour party is acting either unfairly or other than in good faith".

    "I therefore refuse relief in respect of Mr Williamson's recent re-suspension. The new disciplinary case must run its course," he said.

    Mr Justice Pepperall said: "It is important to stress at the outset of this judgement that this case is not about whether Mr Williamson is, or is not, anti-Semitic or even whether he has, or has not, breached the rules of the Labour Party.

    "The issue is whether the party has acted lawfully in its investigation and prosecution of such charges against Mr Williamson."
    No answer then. Not surprised.

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