Coronavirus update - NO MORE RESTRICTIONS

[the other bob wilson]

I didn't say they will be vaccinating everyone in December. I even indicated it will only be a game changer when rolled out but I expected those on here to either ignore potentially good news or find a way of dissing it. Here's an article from the Mirror which may make it more believable even though it doesn't say anything more than the Mail article posted earlier.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-new...t-nhs-22901794

I see Vaughan Gethin got a hammering on Marr this morning for the Welsh government's confusing messaging on its firebreak. Sound familiar?

I didn't see him get a hammering, but, clearly, banning "non essential" sales without giving some sort of idea what the term entailed was going to be a problem. However, I've no problem with the logic behind the original decision in that smaller, independent shops were, effectively, being discriminated against because supermarkets had sold the goods they specialised in while they were told they had to close.

[LeningradCowboy]

I didn't see him get a hammering, but, clearly, banning "non essential" sales without giving some sort of idea what the term entailed was going to be a problem. However, I've no problem with the logic behind the original decision in that smaller, independent shops were, effectively, being discriminated against because supermarkets had sold the goods they specialised in while they were told they had to close.

Do you think that online shops should also be banned from selling "non-essential" goods?

[the other bob wilson]

Do you think that online shops should also be banned from selling "non-essential" goods?

What's that got to do with anything? The point here is that specialist shops were forced to close first time around while supermarkets carried on selling the goods they traded in - that's discrimination and something should be done about it, the problem was that a term like "non essential goods" was never going to be precise enough to ensure this happened.

Maybe it would have been better if the type of shops that had to close were listed and supermarkets told they couldn't sell the goods these shops specialised in?

[LeningradCowboy]

What's that got to do with anything? The point here is that specialist shops were forced to close first time around while supermarkets carried on selling the goods they traded in - that's discrimination and something should be done about it, the problem was that a term like "non essential goods" was never going to be precise enough to ensure this happened.

Maybe it would have been better if the type of shops that had to close were listed and supermarkets told they couldn't sell the goods these shops specialised in?

Aren't you still discriminating against specialist high street shops if online shops can continue to sell the same goods?

[the other bob wilson]

Aren't you still discriminating against specialist high street shops if online shops can continue to sell the same goods?

In a way yes, but this is specifically about shops whereby you were allowed to go into a supermarket and, say, buy a football in the spring, but not allowed to go into a specialist sports shop to do the same thing. The specialist sport shop proprietor knows that there is on line competition seven days a week/fifty two weeks a year, but in the spring, they were not allowed to compete against them or the supermarkets that sold sports goods - the current closures are not perfect for them of course, but, at least, some of the competition would not have the unfair advantage they enjoyed in the spring.

[LeningradCowboy]

In a way yes, but this is specifically about shops whereby you were allowed to go into a supermarket and, say, buy a football in the spring, but not allowed to go into a specialist sports shop to do the same thing. The specialist sport shop proprietor knows that there is on line competition seven days a week/fifty two weeks a year, but in the spring, they were not allowed to compete against them or the supermarkets that sold sports goods - the current closures are not perfect for them of course, but, at least, some of the competition would not have the unfair advantage they enjoyed in the spring.

So why don't you want to remove the unfair advantage from all the competition?

[the other bob wilson]

So why don't you want to remove the unfair advantage from all the competition?

Because, as I said earlier, it's all about keeping contact between people in shops down as low as possible - even if it could be done, stopping online sales in a situation where the aim is to cut numbers in shops and the amount of time people spend in them would be ludicrous, is that what you're proposing?

[blue matt]

Do you think that online shops should also be banned from selling "non-essential" goods?

its a joke, lets be honest

My mum phoned me yesterday ( we speak most days during covid ) and was worried if her kettle breaks, she will have to boil water on the hob

Now i know she is old, hasnt a lot of think about, so someone phones her, mentioned if the kettle breaks, so she frets about it

I got on Amazon and sent her one, as a spare, thats one thing less for her to fret about she will find something else today i am sure

[poc]

its a joke, lets be honest

My mum phoned me yesterday ( we speak most days during covid ) and was worried if her kettle breaks, she will have to boil water on the hob

Now i know she is old, hasnt a lot of think about, so someone phones her, mentioned if the kettle breaks, so she frets about it

I got on Amazon and sent her one, as a spare, thats one thing less for her to fret about she will find something else today i am sure

well donebut its what the older generation are like always worry about something

[blue matt]

well donebut its what the older generation are like always worry about something

its bloody crazy to be honest, but it made me laugh as i addressed it to " My Mum whose kettle might break , Barry "
so it gave me a bit of a laugh and will keep my mum from fretting over it

[Vindec]

I didn't see him get a hammering, but, clearly, banning "non essential" sales without giving some sort of idea what the term entailed was going to be a problem. However, I've no problem with the logic behind the original decision in that smaller, independent shops were, effectively, being discriminated against because supermarkets had sold the goods they specialised in while they were told they had to close.

It seemed to me that the Welsh government is receiving the same kind of criticisms that the UK government faced such as unclear messaging and now a U turn is likely. Vaughan Gethin is a good media performer but he couldn't satisfactorily answer the criticisms he is receiving with regard to supermarkets being banned from so called inessential goods. That was my point.