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I agree, hospitalisations and deaths are what matters most...Originally Posted by Canton Kev
But...
The point of stopping us going to the football, the bar, making us WFH etc etc is to stop the spread.
England has been more liberal and it potentially doesn't seem to have made much difference.
Because you’re using the wrong metric.... If you can find hospitalisations and deaths for England and they don’t differ from Wales then you might have a point. I’m not gonna go looking for you, it’s your thread.
Here is England ��������������
���� Breaking - the number of patients with #Covid19 in ventilated beds has fallen by 4% over the past week in England.
➡️ Numbers are 72% lower than last year
https://twitter.com/statsjamie/statu...033838084?s=21
I’d follow thus guy for stats
➡️ Patients with Covid-19 overall in hospital up a third, but up to 45% may be in with Covid, but not for it.
Here is Wales ��������������
���� Wales - 15% increase in past week in #Covid19 patients in ventilated beds & 73% lower than last year
➡️ Patients in general beds up 74% but 55% lower than last year
➡️ No Wales data but 37-45% of English beds have patients with Covid but not reason for being in hospital
These don’t really help either. With no numbers to know what the increase/decrease is from these stats are mostly useless.
What I’m saying is the useful stats for OP to find and to look at are hospitalisations for Covid per 100k or 1m and deaths from Covid per 100k or 1m and compare those numbers between the 2 countries.
If you look at Sweden the answer would be to follow them, but nobody ever mentions them. Yes it’s a large unpopulated country but many of the cities populations per sq KM is similar to Wales 🏴
Why Sweden? The most similar countries to Sweden are their Scandinavian neighbours.
Per capita, their deaths are 6x higher than Norway’s and 5x higher than Finland’s.
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/ful...34948211047137
You would think every country in the world would have the same rules , but even in the Uk we don’t , that’s what’s baffling
I don't think they are that similar. Have you looked at the variation in population densities?
Sweden to introduce stricter restrictions including work from home mandate
Stricter pandemic measures are to be introduced in Sweden in response to a rising number of Covid cases and pressure on hospitals, the prime minister has said.
“The situation has deteriorated, without doubt. The level of infections in Sweden is at a historically high level,” Magdalena Andersson told a news conference, according to Reuters.
The new measures include a work from home mandate where possible and a cap on the number of people allowed at public events. Restaurants will have to close at 11pm and guests will have to be seated and in groups no bigger than eight people. Adults are also being asked to limit social contacts indoors.
The measures will be evaluated after two weeks, but are expected to be in place for at least four weeks.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/li...08ad63cf67466f
They are not the best , but definitely not the worse ,that’s all , and a more favourable strategy allowing for social responsibility.
Sweden has been both praised and vilified for its “light touch” stance during the pandemic, but with a second covid winter approaching, how do its experts rate the country’s pandemic control now, asks Marta Paterlini
“Swedish statistics do not differ from other European countries,” Anders Tegnell, the state epidemiologist who has been the face of Sweden’s infamous pandemic strategy, tells The BMJ.
“After two years of pandemic Sweden does not stand out. We are not the best, but we are definitely not the worst.”
In contrast to the stricter, often lockdown focused, approaches of many European countries—including its neighbours in Scandinavia—Sweden’s strategy has relied on individuals taking responsibility under non-binding recommendations.1 In the first six months of the pandemic, the government enacted extensive work from home measures for those that could, as well as remote learning for over 16s.
https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj.n3081
England does not include reinfections in its daily totals. Wales does.
I also read on the weekend that there’s a backlog of data to be uploaded to the English numbers. No idea if the latter is true.
You just can't leave it alone, can you? Stop being foolish.
The disease (Omicron) is the same everywhere so there is the same true relationship between the actual (not reported) cases and actual (not reported) deaths. Reported death data is probably the most reliable indicator of the prevalence of the disease. Reported case numbers are almost completely useless cross sectionally and as time series for a plethora of reasons.
You're asserting Wales' policy has made no difference. You're offering no acceptable evidence.
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