Embarrassment at Coventry a consequence of years of mismanagement at Cardiff City.

[19bluebirds27]

Need to be careful what we wish for lads.
Some real big clubs are in trouble.

Sheff Wed Down.
Derby will no doubt be down after the points deduction.
Now Forest have just sacked Chris Hughton who has always done well at championship level.

Middlesbrough may have even been relegated had Warnock not stepped in.
Look at Sunderland too and the struggles they are having in getting back to the championship alone.

Even Ipswich when Mick got relegated the season after which shows the job he was doing to keep them afloat.

[Rjk]

Need to be careful what we wish for lads.
Some real big clubs are in trouble.

Sheff Wed Down.
Derby will no doubt be down after the points deduction.
Now Forest have just sacked Chris Hughton who has always done well at championship level.

Middlesbrough may have even been relegated had Warnock not stepped in.
Look at Sunderland too and the struggles they are having in getting back to the championship alone.

Even Ipswich when Mick got relegated the season after which shows the job he was doing to keep them afloat.

I disagree about Middlesbrough.
they had a bad season, but they had a lot of talented youngsters coming through, there were matches they played 7 academy products and competed well. I think they were already turning the corner before Warnock came on board.
we might have to go through a season or two of pain before we come out the other side also.

[The Lone Gunman]

Need to be careful what we wish for lads.

The 'little old Cardiff, it could be worse' mentality rears its head once more.....

[Gnojek]

Need to be careful what we wish for lads.
Some real big clubs are in trouble.

Sheff Wed Down.
Derby will no doubt be down after the points deduction.
Now Forest have just sacked Chris Hughton who has always done well at championship level.

Middlesbrough may have even been relegated had Warnock not stepped in.
Look at Sunderland too and the struggles they are having in getting back to the championship alone.

Even Ipswich when Mick got relegated the season after which shows the job he was doing to keep them afloat.

Relegation would undoubtedly be horrible but that might help clear the decks, press reset and start afresh with a different manager, different playing style etc. Things are so stale at present. I've never been a MM fan, even though I accept he did a decent job when he first came in. Giving him the new contract filled me with dread.

I remember looking at one of the Ipswich forums a few years ago, after we'd beaten them comfortably in a midweek match. It was towards the end of MM's reign at Portman Road and the natives were restless, yet still brought a decent number for what isn't a short trip. Bar one or two, the forum contributors all said similar things that are regularly posted on here......that the football is dire, there is no creativity and that MM is predictable and has his favourites (I seem to recall the midfielder Cole Skuse was the main culprit). On this last point, I'm not convinced MM and Kieffer always see eye-to-eye, even before the Wolves thing. My gut feeling is that MM likes under-the-radar grafters, not supposed superstars, hence the likes of Collins would be more his type of player, a lower league journeyman (City being his tenth different club) who has arrived in the Championship the hard way, plus got some ROI caps.

I'll never miss a home game but am bored of this dirge. As another thread notes, we've now had three managers who play ugly football. We all want to see our team win but for me at least, I also want to be entertained with easy-on-the-eye football that makes me get out of my seat. Skills, creativity and vision that I've paid money to see specialists perform. We're a million miles away from that at present.

[PhyllisStant]

Relegation would undoubtedly be horrible but that might help clear the decks, press reset and start afresh with a different manager, different playing style etc. Things are so stale at present. I've never been a MM fan, even though I accept he did a decent job when he first came in. Giving him the new contract filled me with dread.

I remember looking at one of the Ipswich forums a few years ago, after we'd beaten them comfortably in a midweek match. It was towards the end of MM's reign at Portman Road and the natives were restless, yet still brought a decent number for what isn't a short trip. Bar one or two, the forum contributors all said similar things that are regularly posted on here......that the football is dire, there is no creativity and that MM is predictable and has his favourites (I seem to recall the midfielder Cole Skuse was the main culprit). On this last point, I'm not convinced MM and Kieffer always see eye-to-eye, even before the Wolves thing. My gut feeling is that MM likes under-the-radar grafters, not supposed superstars, hence the likes of Collins would be more his type of player, a lower league journeyman (City being his tenth different club) who has arrived in the Championship the hard way, plus got some ROI caps.

I'll never miss a home game but am bored of this dirge. As another thread notes, we've now had three managers who play ugly football. We all want to see our team win but for me at least, I also want to be entertained with easy-on-the-eye football that makes me get out of my seat. Skills, creativity and vision that I've paid money to see specialists perform. We're a million miles away from that at present.

The problem is that whatever manager we bring in - they will be expected to achieve a certain level by the board - and making "us hard to beat" is a way of achieving that and covering their own ass. We need some understanding and commitment from the board that we need to reshape things and that might me going backwards before we go forwards.

[Gnojek]

Agree with both your posts

[NYCBlue]

Need to be careful what we wish for lads.
Some real big clubs are in trouble.

Sheff Wed Down.
Derby will no doubt be down after the points deduction.
Now Forest have just sacked Chris Hughton who has always done well at championship level.

Middlesbrough may have even been relegated had Warnock not stepped in.
Look at Sunderland too and the struggles they are having in getting back to the championship alone.

Even Ipswich when Mick got relegated the season after which shows the job he was doing to keep them afloat.

Always?

[19bluebirds27]

Always?

Prior to Forest he has managed something like 4 seasons in the Championship 2 promotions and 2 further play off finishes.

So I think “always” is fair to say.

[NYCBlue]

Prior to Forest he has managed something like 4 seasons in the Championship 2 promotions and 2 further play off finishes.

So I think “always” is fair to say.

I think "usually" would have been a better choice of word. Or "until last year". Whatever.

[19bluebirds27]

I think "usually" would have been a better choice of word. Or "until last year". Whatever.

As long as you understood my point.