Vincent Tan to give half his wealth to charity after he dies...

[the other bob wilson]

We got to the Premier league, and he gave McKay cash to spend, but he wasted it. It’s not all Tans fault we are where we are.

Do you deny that we’re in a slightly worse position now than when Vincent Tan took over, that the quality of football is much worse and that we’re not as good at producing our own players than we were? I’ve no problem with giving Vincent Tan due credit for his part in our two promotions, but then it has to follow that he cannot escape some blame for our record creating two relegations doesn’t it?

Also, you’re conveniently forgetting that Mackay had to do his job in 12/13 and 13/14 against a background of supporter unrest created entirely by Vincent Tan and that he had to do his job for the first half of our first Premier League season with the owner making it pretty obvious he didn’t want him at the club.

Being honest, I’ve doubts as to whether we’d have stayed up if Mackay had stayed, but it’s a fact that we were outside the bottom three when he was sacked. We certainly weren’t the worst team in the league when Mackay left, but the record shows we were when the season ended.

It’s simplistic nonsense to say Mackay or Tan were solely responsible for us going down in 13/14 (I used to say that the only person at the club who could look back on the season with satisfaction as to their own performance was David Marshall), but, apart from those in the Boardroom, the only links we had to the 13/14 squad were Aaron Gunnarsson and Joe Ralls (who spent the season on loan at Yeovil) - it seems to me that those in the Boardroom learned none of the lessons of 13/14 when it came to our second Premier League season in 18/19.

[dml1954]

Do you deny that we’re in a slightly worse position now than when Vincent Tan took over, that the quality of football is much worse and that we’re not as good at producing our own players than we were? I’ve no problem with giving Vincent Tan due credit for his part in our two promotions, but then it has to follow that he cannot escape some blame for our record creating two relegations doesn’t it?

Also, you’re conveniently forgetting that Mackay had to do his job in 12/13 and 13/14 against a background of supporter unrest created entirely by Vincent Tan and that he had to do his job for the first half of our first Premier League season with the owner making it pretty obvious he didn’t want him at the club.

Being honest, I’ve doubts as to whether we’d have stayed up if Mackay had stayed, but it’s a fact that we were outside the bottom three when he was sacked. We certainly weren’t the worst team in the league when Mackay left, but the record shows we were when the season ended.

It’s simplistic nonsense to say Mackay or Tan were solely responsible for us going down in 13/14 (I used to say that the only person at the club who could look back on the season with satisfaction as to their own performance was David Marshall), but, apart from those in the Boardroom, the only links we had to the 13/14 squad were Aaron Gunnarsson and Joe Ralls (who spent the season on loan at Yeovil) - it seems to me that those in the Boardroom learned none of the lessons of 13/14 when it came to our second Premier League season in 18/19.

Why were the two relegations from the Premier League record breaking ? Also, when judging the performance of the team, managers and owner in the last two years, nobody appears to be making any allowance for the fact that we are playing football in the middle of a pandemic with no fans, severely restricted income and players and their families under severe pressure regarding catching the disease, lack of pre-season, number of games in a short space of time etc etc. With regard to Mackay, it is hardly surprising that Tan wanted him out after the money he wasted on players and then the racist and disrespectful texts he sent about the owner.

[The Lone Gunman]

Also, when judging the performance of the team, managers and owner in the last two years, nobody appears to be making any allowance for the fact that we are playing football in the middle of a pandemic with no fans, severely restricted income and players and their families under severe pressure regarding catching the disease, lack of pre-season, number of games in a short space of time etc etc.

You know this is true for every club, right? You appreciate Covid-19 isn't just a Cardiff thing?

[the other bob wilson]

Why were the two relegations from the Premier League record breaking ? Also, when judging the performance of the team, managers and owner in the last two years, nobody appears to be making any allowance for the fact that we are playing football in the middle of a pandemic with no fans, severely restricted income and players and their families under severe pressure regarding catching the disease, lack of pre-season, number of games in a short space of time etc etc. With regard to Mackay, it is hardly surprising that Tan wanted him out after the money he wasted on players and then the racist and disrespectful texts he sent about the owner.

No other side who have spent more than one season in the Premier League has a one hundred per cent relegation record like we do. Every other side in the country have had to deal with the pandemic, we've managed better than some and worse than others - we're slightly further away from the Play Offs than we were when fixtures were suspended. Vincent Tan sacked Malky Mackay before those texts were discovered and they have no relevance to the discussion in this thread about Our owner anyway.

[dml1954]

No other side who have spent more than one season in the Premier League has a one hundred per cent relegation record like we do. Every other side in the country have had to deal with the pandemic, we've managed better than some and worse than others - we're slightly further away from the Play Offs than we were when fixtures were suspended. Vincent Tan sacked Malky Mackay before those texts were discovered and they have no relevance to the discussion in this thread about Our owner anyway.

But it was you that brought Mackay into the thread by indicating that he had been badly treated by Tan. I don't know many employers that would put up with a manager going millions of pounds over budget on goods that were, at least in part, sub standard and then being made aware that his employee was being, at the very least, very disrespectful behind his back. There was obviously bad feeling between the two and Tan would have been aware what was going on well before it all came out in the media.

[the other bob wilson]

But it was you that brought Mackay into the thread by indicating that he had been badly treated by Tan. I don't know many employers that would put up with a manager going millions of pounds over budget on goods that were, at least in part, sub standard and then being made aware that his employee was being, at the very least, very disrespectful behind his back. There was obviously bad feeling between the two and Tan would have been aware what was going on well before it all came out in the media.

It wasn’t me who brought Malky Mackay into the thread.