One by product of this thread is that the Tories on here really need to update their Labour bogymen - Benn and Skinner? One of them has been dead for seven years and the other one will be eighty nine in less than a fortnight! With Corbyn looking like yesterday's man and Livingston no longer a member of the party I believe, who are the Tories going to terrify their children and grand children with stories about what will happen if Labour ever regain power from now on?