Hey Donald Trump

[WJ99mobile]

Isn’t from anyone who’s sane? I think even people who are slightly right leaning think he’s a dangerous ****.

Are you a fan of him? Can you really not understand why people think it’s good that he’s out?

It’s not like the democrats are even properly left, in terms on European governments they’re probably centrists at best.

Yes he's polarizing but its not his own supporters that are making comedy skits, dolls, blow up balloons and masks about him. It hardens his supporters views further and probably helps to swing over marginal votes. They've had 4 years of being told you was wrong to vote for Trump and people wonder why he's had another good campaign.

I wouldn't vote for him at all but both sides are as bad as each other, and only have themselves to blame.

[Croesy Blue]

Yes he's polarizing but its not his own supporters that are making comedy skits, dolls, blow up balloons and masks about him. It hardens his supporters views further and probably helps to swing over marginal votes. They've had 4 years of being told you was wrong to vote for Trump and people wonder why he's had another good campaign.

I wouldn't vote for him at all but both sides are as bad as each other, and only have themselves to blame.

Both sides aren't as bad as each other

Are you saying satirical piss taking of this twat is as bad as marching around with tiki torches shouting Jews will not replace us?

It's a complete bollocks argument. OH NO NOT BLOW UP DOLLS!

[lardy]

Yes he's polarizing but its not his own supporters that are making comedy skits, dolls, blow up balloons and masks about him. It hardens his supporters views further and probably helps to swing over marginal votes. They've had 4 years of being told you was wrong to vote for Trump and people wonder why he's had another good campaign.

I wouldn't vote for him at all but both sides are as bad as each other, and only have themselves to blame.

Both sides are not as bad as each other. Trump was offering something way beyond the normal democrat vs republican.

[the other bob wilson]

Yes he's polarizing but its not his own supporters that are making comedy skits, dolls, blow up balloons and masks about him. It hardens his supporters views further and probably helps to swing over marginal votes. They've had 4 years of being told you was wrong to vote for Trump and people wonder why he's had another good campaign.

I wouldn't vote for him at all but both sides are as bad as each other, and only have themselves to blame.

From what I can gather, people who know more American politics than me will tell you that, to a degree, the Democratic Party brought the last four years on themselves and so, to an extent, you're right. Complacency by the progressive, liberal side (which qualifies as the left in America) in the 90s and 00s created the situation which led to Trump - I can remember the Tea Party being ridiculed when it first emerged, but so much of what they were for formed the basis of what the Republican Party is today.
However, Trump is a one off, if someone like Mike Pence had been President for the last four years, I'd say he'd probably have been starting his second term now, but thankfully, enough people realised that Trump transcended left and right barriers and was both dangerous and not up to the job. Even in defeat, he's proving his unfitness for the Presidency by acting like the sort of despot you may see in a South American country who refuses to accept defeat and holes themselves up in a bunker claiming the vote was rigged- Trump demeaned America and now he's demeaning democracy.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

From what I can gather, people who know more American politics than me will tell you that, to a degree, the Democratic Party brought the last four years on themselves and so, to an extent, you're right. Complacency by the progressive, liberal side (which qualifies as the left in America) in the 90s and 00s created the situation which led to Trump - I can remember the Tea Party being ridiculed when it first emerged, but so much of what they were for formed the basis of what the Republican Party is today.
However, Trump is a one off, if someone like Mike Pence had been President for the last four years, I'd say he'd probably have been starting his second term now, but thankfully, enough people realised that Trump transcended left and right barriers and was both dangerous and not up to the job. Even in defeat, he's proving his unfitness for the Presidency by acting like the sort of despot you may see in a South American country who refuses to accept defeat and holes themselves up in a bunker claiming the vote was rigged- Trump demeaned America and now he's demeaning democracy.

I agree. I'd even go a step further and suggest that Trump, a bit like Brexit over here, appealed to those who felt like they were unheard, to those who wanted to give the establishments in both countries a bit of a kicking. Brexit certainly transcended party politics in the UK in a similar way to Trump reaching out to, and alienating, both sides in America.

The big shame is that, those who felt that voting Trump (and Brexit) was taking back control from the establishment, were actually doing the very opposite. Assuming the next elections in UK and America will be in 2024, it'll be interesting to see how much support the right wing parties in each country actually get. The Conservatives got a relatively strong election result last year on the back of one issue, but when that's done and dusted, the party will need to move back into the centre or it'll lose lots of its new working class vote. From what I see, this government's popularity is plummetting and not just on the back of Covid. Brexit spoke to lots of working class people, the same who largely support things like Marcus Rashford's support for school meals during holidays for those who qualify for free school meals. Once Brexit dies down, we'll get back to normal policies again and this government won't stand a chance on a right wing ticket if they attack the working classes.

The same will be true in America with former Democrats who voted for Trump, but who may not have as natural a home with the Republicans. From my limited knowledge of American politics, it has always seemed that any President who has done ok in his first term of office gets in, certainly in more recent times. In my lifetime, Trump follows Jimmy Carter and George Bush (first one) as Presidents that have only served one term and not been re-elected, unlike Reagan, Clinton, Bush Jnr and Obama. I was one of many who were astounded that George W Bush got a second term and so, for Trump to fail against someone who is hardly a strong candidate seems to suggest the direction America wants to go.

[lisvaneblue]

I agree. I'd even go a step further and suggest that Trump, a bit like Brexit over here, appealed to those who felt like they were unheard, to those who wanted to give the establishments in both countries a bit of a kicking. Brexit certainly transcended party politics in the UK in a similar way to Trump reaching out to, and alienating, both sides in America.

The big shame is that, those who felt that voting Trump (and Brexit) was taking back control from the establishment, were actually doing the very opposite. Assuming the next elections in UK and America will be in 2024, it'll be interesting to see how much support the right wing parties in each country actually get. The Conservatives got a relatively strong election result last year on the back of one issue, but when that's done and dusted, the party will need to move back into the centre or it'll lose lots of its new working class vote. From what I see, this government's popularity is plummetting and not just on the back of Covid. Brexit spoke to lots of working class people, the same who largely support things like Marcus Rashford's support for school meals during holidays for those who qualify for free school meals. Once Brexit dies down, we'll get back to normal policies again and this government won't stand a chance on a right wing ticket if they attack the working classes.

The same will be true in America with former Democrats who voted for Trump, but who may not have as natural a home with the Republicans. From my limited knowledge of American politics, it has always seemed that any President who has done ok in his first term of office gets in, certainly in more recent times. In my lifetime, Trump follows Jimmy Carter and George Bush (first one) as Presidents that have only served one term and not been re-elected, unlike Reagan, Clinton, Bush Jnr and Obama. I was one of many who were astounded that George W Bush got a second term and so, for Trump to fail against someone who is hardly a strong candidate seems to suggest the direction America wants to go.

I'd just like to know who exactly is in charge in the UK. Is it Chris Whitty or Marcus Rashford?

[Eric the Half a Bee]

I'd just like to know who exactly is in charge in the UK. Is it Chris Whitty or Marcus Rashford?

Thankfully it's not Boris Johnson, a man who sets himself up to be the butt of the jokes. Frankie Boyle has a few:

A cross between a brain injury and an unmade bed
A malevolent baked Alaska
The interface of the public school system and foetal alcohol syndrome
What happens when Pixar is infiltrated by the last surviving Nazi war criminal
Oswald Moseley’s soul trapped in a Furby

[Elwood Blues]

Thankfully it's not Boris Johnson, a man who sets himself up to be the butt of the jokes. Frankie Boyle has a few:

A cross between a brain injury and an unmade bed
A malevolent baked Alaska
The interface of the public school system and foetal alcohol syndrome
What happens when Pixar is infiltrated by the last surviving Nazi war criminal
Oswald Moseley’s soul trapped in a Furby

Those are meant to be funny???

Don't get me wrong, Political leaders are there to be shot at and there is nothing wrong with good jokes about them. I agree that Boris does make himself a target at times ( well quite a lot actually)

But I feel that comedians like Frankie Boyle think of the most outrageous things they can and believe that because they are saying it, it is automatically funny.

Sometimes it really isn't.

[Rjk]

Those are meant to be funny???

Don't get me wrong, Political leaders are there to be shot at and there is nothing wrong with good jokes about them. I agree that Boris does make himself a target at times ( well quite a lot actually)

But I feel that comedians like Frankie Boyle think of the most outrageous things they can and believe that because they are saying it, it is automatically funny.

Sometimes it really isn't.

Frankie Boyle is excellent these days. and yes I thought those were funny.

[Elwood Blues]

From what I can gather, people who know more American politics than me will tell you that, to a degree, the Democratic Party brought the last four years on themselves and so, to an extent, you're right. Complacency by the progressive, liberal side (which qualifies as the left in America) in the 90s and 00s created the situation which led to Trump - I can remember the Tea Party being ridiculed when it first emerged, but so much of what they were for formed the basis of what the Republican Party is today.
However, Trump is a one off, if someone like Mike Pence had been President for the last four years, I'd say he'd probably have been starting his second term now, but thankfully, enough people realised that Trump transcended left and right barriers and was both dangerous and not up to the job. Even in defeat, he's proving his unfitness for the Presidency by acting like the sort of despot you may see in a South American country who refuses to accept defeat and holes themselves up in a bunker claiming the vote was rigged- Trump demeaned America and now he's demeaning democracy.

I can't disagree with that.

What makes it worse is that some highly experienced politicians like Ted Cruz Mike Huckabee Newt Gingrich and Lindsey Graham are backing him up when they really should know better.

As George W said there is nothing wrong with demanding recounts and making legal challenges ( I would add the word sensible before legal there!) but he made it quite plain that he thought that they wouldn't find anything substantial "Its (the elections) integrity will be upheld and its outcome is clear" he said

[az city]

Yes he's polarizing but its not his own supporters that are making comedy skits, dolls, blow up balloons and masks about him. It hardens his supporters views further and probably helps to swing over marginal votes. They've had 4 years of being told you was wrong to vote for Trump and people wonder why he's had another good campaign.

I wouldn't vote for him at all but both sides are as bad as each other, and only have themselves to blame.

I'm guessing you don't live in the US and only have a passing knowledge of people, events, culture and politics. Both sides are definitively not "as bad as each other". That is utter bullshit. If you don't have sufficient knowledge and experience about issues please just read and watch. Trump, himself, tried your line when describing rightwing agitators and peaceful BLM protestors in the South. They weren't "as bad as each other". The whites nationalists killed a woman and attempted to foment unrest. The BLM marchers carried placards and demanded justice. How are they equivalent? You're spouting bollocks and its dangerous bollocks too.

I live in the US. I have Democrats and Republicans right next door. They aren't "as bad as each other". Two tiny illustrations. The Dems in my neighbourhood have been afraid to put up election signs while the Reps have run riot with them. In Maricopa the cops have had to throw an armed cordon around election workers at the count because approx. 100 QAnon/Trumpers turned up in full battle armour with assault rifles. At the same time in Philly the Dems had a spontaneous street party - no guns, no implied threat, just a public outpouring of joy.

The Dems want to mend the country, Trump wants it to remain fractured because he has an 'us' and 'them' narrative that appeals to base instincts.

[jeepster]

I'm guessing you don't live in the US and only have a passing knowledge of people, events, culture and politics. Both sides are definitively not "as bad as each other". That is utter bullshit. If you don't have sufficient knowledge and experience about issues please just read and watch. Trump, himself, tried your line when describing rightwing agitators and peaceful BLM protestors in the South. They weren't "as bad as each other". The whites nationalists killed a woman and attempted to foment unrest. The BLM marchers carried placards and demanded justice. How are they equivalent? You're spouting bollocks and its dangerous bollocks too.

I live in the US. I have Democrats and Republicans right next door. They aren't "as bad as each other". Two tiny illustrations. The Dems in my neighbourhood have been afraid to put up election signs while the Reps have run riot with them. In Maricopa the cops have had to throw an armed cordon around election workers at the count because approx. 100 QAnon/Trumpers turned up in full battle armour with assault rifles. At the same time in Philly the Dems had a spontaneous street party - no guns, no implied threat, just a public outpouring of joy.

The Dems want to mend the country, Trump wants it to remain fractured because he has an 'us' and 'them' narrative that appeals to base instincts.

Good man