Coronavirus update - NO MORE RESTRICTIONS

[lisvaneblue]

Not if the professionals are off sick with the virus.

The problem with the NHS is that it's getting overloaded with elderly people catching Covid and needing hospital care.

That needs to be addressed first.

[Vindec]

The problem with the NHS is that it's getting overloaded with elderly people catching Covid and needing hospital care.

That needs to be addressed first.

So we seem to agree that NHS staff not on the front line such as Admin staff shouldn't receive priority. Where we differ is that I think staff on the front line should receive priority and you think the elderly should be first in the queue. The elderly had the opportunity to prevent getting the virus whereas health professionals working on the front line are required to do their job. They have no choice. Additionally the NHS has a duty of care particularly to their front line staff. We are not going to agree.

[lisvaneblue]

So we seem to agree that NHS staff not on the front line such as Admin staff shouldn't receive priority. Where we differ is that I think staff on the front line should receive priority and you think the elderly should be first in the queue. The elderly had the opportunity to prevent getting the virus whereas health professionals working on the front line are required to do their job. They have no choice. Additionally the NHS has a duty of care particularly to their front line staff. We are not going to agree.

I no longer hear of NHS staff being off sick with Covid now that PPE shortage is sorted. However the news frequently says that staff are off with stress and exhaustion, and understandably so. That will only change when the patients flow into hospitals eases

[Vindec]

I no longer hear of NHS staff being off sick with Covid now that PPE shortage is sorted. However the news frequently says that staff are off with stress and exhaustion, and understandably so. That will only change when the patients flow into hospitals eases

There were 620 NHS deaths up to the end of August. I can't find any up to date figures figures but the fact there have been many deaths indicate that the number of NHS workers catching the virus must run into the thousands.

[lisvaneblue]

There were 620 NHS deaths up to the end of August. I can't find any up to date figures figures but the fact there have been many deaths indicate that the number of NHS workers catching the virus must run into the thousands.

It's awful that there have been any deaths. However I guess most of those you mention occurred in the March-May period when PPE was in short supply, when doctors were learning how to handle the disease, and because so many people were being admitted into hospital. During the summer months UK death rates from Covid dipped considerably.

In Uk up to end October over 55000 people died of Covid and 50,000 of those were age over 65. So the point Ive been trying to make is that the old need protection first.

In England the NHS say that they will cover NHS staff first, which is what we have been arguing over. The experts from the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation say that care home staff and residents should be first, followed by those over 80 and front line NHS staff.
Northern Ireland have announced their programme and it follows the Joint Committee recommendations.

Wales has yet to say what it intends to do.

[Allez Allez Allez]

It's awful that there have been any deaths. However I guess most of those you mention occurred in the March-May period when PPE was in short supply, when doctors were learning how to handle the disease, and because so many people were being admitted into hospital. During the summer months UK death rates from Covid dipped considerably.

In Uk up to end October over 55000 people died of Covid and 50,000 of those were age over 65. So the point Ive been trying to make is that the old need protection first.

In England the NHS say that they will cover NHS staff first, which is what we have been arguing over. The experts from the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation say that care home staff and residents should be first, followed by those over 80 and front line NHS staff.
Northern Ireland have announced their programme and it follows the Joint Committee recommendations.

Wales has yet to say what it intends to do.

Wales starts vaccines this week.

[xsnaggle]

Wales starts vaccines this week.

Allegedly

[tomcat]

So we seem to agree that NHS staff not on the front line such as Admin staff shouldn't receive priority. Where we differ is that I think staff on the front line should receive priority and you think the elderly should be first in the queue. The elderly had the opportunity to prevent getting the virus whereas health professionals working on the front line are required to do their job. They have no choice. Additionally the NHS has a duty of care particularly to their front line staff. We are not going to agree.

My wife is an NHS pharmaceuticals buyer who although working form home works long into the night (unpaid after 5pm) to ensure that everything needed is available where it needs to be and when. If she got ill (although not on the frontline) there'd be a big problem. She will get a jab early, and so she bloody should for all our benefits

[lisvaneblue]

My wife is an NHS pharmaceuticals buyer who although working form home works long into the night (unpaid after 5pm) to ensure that everything needed is available where it needs to be and when. If she got ill (although not on the frontline) there'd be a big problem. She will get a jab early, and so she bloody should for all our benefits

Interesting debate and Im sure if your wife was ill it would have a knock on consequences, just as a teacher getting ill or a nurse...and I could go on. This is happening now through Covid infection directly, or through workmates or children catching it and forcing people to self isolate.

Then there are the hundreds of thousands being furloughed or made redundant through no fault of their own and the 'big problems' that causes them and their families.

The experts say vaccinate the elderly first. Why?...because they are the group that is causing the logjam in hospitals. They are the group that take up most of the critical care beds.They are the group where 90% of the deaths occur...and that too has extreme knock on consequences for their families.

Newspapers report that NHS England will vaccinate NHS staff first. Northern Ireland will vaccinate the elderly first. Wales has yet to show its hand, but as the health minister has announced that he's seeking the advice of the immunisation experts I believe Wales will go with a similar approach to Northern Ireland.