Could the jacks go down ?

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Since we were both in the 2nd division in the 1980/81 season (and they won promotion), they've finished above us 25 times, we've finished above them 18 times.

Swansea finished above us in the league in 2000/01 when we were last in the bottom division. We then enjoyed 9 seasons finishing above them in the league. That changed in 2010/11 when they won promotion and have finished above us in 11 of the last 13 seasons.

Overall we've finished higher than Swansea 59 times. They've finished above us 37 times.

In the memory of most of us Swansea spent two years in the old first division under toshack and 7 years in the Premier league when apart from the relegation season they did pretty well even from our malevolent eyes

And they won the carling Cup

We went up twice in that time and went straight back down

We got to two cup finals but lost both

Finishing higher in the league format without actually winning anything is a pretty generous accolade

Whichever way you want to look at it that lot have been the most successful south wales side in the last 40 years

To argue otherwise is churlish and embarrassing

[Eric the Half a Bee]

In the memory of most of us Swansea spent two years in the old first division under toshack and 7 years in the Premier league when apart from the relegation season they did pretty well even from our malevolent eyes

And they won the carling Cup

We went up twice in that time and went straight back down

We got to two cup finals but lost both

Finishing higher in the league format without actually winning anything is a pretty generous accolade

Whichever way you want to look at it that lot have been the most successful south wales side in the last 40 years

To argue otherwise is churlish and embarrassing

Absolutely. Apart from some tooing and froing in the 90s, we had the upper hand in the 2000s while they struggled, then while we floundered in trying to win promotion to the Premier League, they managed it in 3 seasons. Even for our successes in Europe, their win at Valencia is probably the biggest win by a Welsh team ever in Europe.

One could almost say they've been a better run club as well, until recently and the Yanks took over.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Absolutely. Apart from some tooing and froing in the 90s, we had the upper hand in the 2000s while they struggled, then while we floundered in trying to win promotion to the Premier League, they managed it in 3 seasons. Even for our successes in Europe, their win at Valencia is probably the biggest win by a Welsh team ever in Europe.

One could almost say they've been a better run club as well, until recently and the Yanks took over.

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