Coronavirus update - NO MORE RESTRICTIONS

[the other bob wilson]

All about greed and capitalism according to the sainted Johnson. I wonder how many of his apologists on here will have the nerve to read

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Failures-St...ct_top?ie=UTF8

and whether it will change any minds?

[goats]

All about greed and capitalism according to the sainted Johnson. I wonder how many of his apologists on here will have the nerve to read

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Failures-St...ct_top?ie=UTF8

and whether it will change any minds?

You got your jab didn’t you Bob? No doubt many friends your age did too? I’m glad Boris got one thing right and ordered early. Surely it’s illegal for the EU to try and block a further delivery here, it’s not our fault they didn’t back it and order early.....a contract is a contract

[life on mars]

All about greed and capitalism according to the sainted Johnson. I wonder how many of his apologists on here will have the nerve to read

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Failures-St...ct_top?ie=UTF8

and whether it will change any minds?

If its such a failure why is have so many countries included ours included have had their made better, I can remember a time of awful personal hardships and have found that through the years it got better , I look at my children now and think gosh this is a better world ( I agree its far from perfect ) what would you have in its place .

Before capitalism the world was a very poor , war mongering death ridden place, many society's and lives have benefited from it In my humble view does it need reigning in ( yes ) .

The most successful Labour party in my time ( Blair )embraced it , perhaps Labour needs to do the same and create a new visionary shape it in its own to see if that appeals to the electorate as the last shout was abysmal.

I can't see old Joe Biden or China sweeping capitalism away anytime soon either .

[Rjk]

If its such a failure why is have so many countries included ours included have had their made better, I can remember a time of awful personal hardships and have found that through the years it got better , I look at my children now and think gosh this is a better world ( I agree its far from perfect ) what would you have in its place .

Before capitalism the world was a very poor , war mongering death ridden place, many society's and lives have benefited from it In my humble view does it need reigning in ( yes ) .

The most successful Labour party in my time ( Blair )embraced it , perhaps Labour needs to do the same and create a new visionary shape it in its own to see if that appeals to the electorate as the last shout was abysmal.

I can't see old Joe Biden or China sweeping capitalism away anytime soon either .

I don't think the book is a critique on capitalism more the response to the pandemic.

on capitalism, I heard an Economist on BBC world service the order day (I forget her name) saying some interesting things about capitalisms role in the biggest issues facing the world.
most notably the rapidly increasing inequality in many countries around the world that is almost always followed by unrest.

her solution was to try to get capitalism to work better for us, which surely most people can't disagree too much with?

[lisvaneblue]

If its such a failure why is have so many countries included ours included have had their made better, I can remember a time of awful personal hardships and have found that through the years it got better , I look at my children now and think gosh this is a better world ( I agree its far from perfect ) what would you have in its place .

Before capitalism the world was a very poor , war mongering death ridden place, many society's and lives have benefited from it In my humble view does it need reigning in ( yes ) .

The most successful Labour party in my time ( Blair )embraced it , perhaps Labour needs to do the same and create a new visionary shape it in its own to see if that appeals to the electorate as the last shout was abysmal.

I can't see old Joe Biden or China sweeping capitalism away anytime soon either .

In Germany before it was unified...In the west if short of bread they'd bake another loaf. In the East they'd cut the loaf into thinner slices

[Rjk]

In Germany before it was unified...In the west if short of bread they'd bake another loaf. In the East they'd cut the loaf into thinner slices

Is anyone saying they want to get to a situation like the former Eastern Germany?

You always see this kind of reductio ad absurdum made against anyone suggesting there might be any sort of weakness with unfettered capitalism.
Why not the other way around?
oh you don't like state interference - that means you don't want any state at all - a lawless anarchy like areas of Somalia controlled by pirates.

[lisvaneblue]

Is anyone saying they want to get to a situation like the former Eastern Germany?

You always see this kind of reductio ad absurdum made against anyone suggesting there might be any sort of weakness with unfettered capitalism.
Why not the other way around?
oh you don't like state interference - that means you don't want any state at all - a lawless anarchy like areas of Somalia controlled by pirates.

West Germany v East (as was) is a good example of successful capitalism compared to extreme socialism.

[Rjk]

West Germany v East (as was) is a good example of successful capitalism compared to extreme socialism.

well done for missing my point entirely

[the other bob wilson]

If its such a failure why is have so many countries included ours included have had their made better, I can remember a time of awful personal hardships and have found that through the years it got better , I look at my children now and think gosh this is a better world ( I agree its far from perfect ) what would you have in its place .

Before capitalism the world was a very poor , war mongering death ridden place, many society's and lives have benefited from it In my humble view does it need reigning in ( yes ) .

The most successful Labour party in my time ( Blair )embraced it , perhaps Labour needs to do the same and create a new visionary shape it in its own to see if that appeals to the electorate as the last shout was abysmal.

I can't see old Joe Biden or China sweeping capitalism away anytime soon either .

What are you talking about? I post a link to a book called “Failures of State, the inside story of Britain’s Battle with Coronavirus” while also mentioning that Johnson had remarked on the connection between the vaccine, greed and capitalism and you go off on one defending capitalism while finding a way to bring the Labour Party into it, again, - all this in a thread titled “Coronavirus update” ! Are you sure you replied to the right thread?

[blue matt]

What are you talking about? I post a link to a book called “Failures of State, the inside story of Britain’s Battle with Coronavirus” while also mentioning that Johnson had remarked on the connection between the vaccine, greed and capitalism and you go off on one defending capitalism while finding a way to bring the Labour Party into it, again, - all this in a thread titled “Coronavirus update” ! Are you sure you replied to the right thread?

Fancy Bringing politics into the " Coronavirus update " thread

[the other bob wilson]

Fancy Bringing politics into the " Coronavirus update " thread

I was just at a loss as to how to understand how he arrived where he did from what I had posted - not for the first time, I was baffled by what he said.

[xsnaggle]

What are you talking about? I post a link to a book called “Failures of State, the inside story of Britain’s Battle with Coronavirus” while also mentioning that Johnson had remarked on the connection between the vaccine, greed and capitalism and you go off on one defending capitalism while finding a way to bring the Labour Party into it, again, - all this in a thread titled “Coronavirus update” ! Are you sure you replied to the right thread?

That did make me smile.
You of course have never made any remark even remotely political in the 7400+ posts in this thread have you? No, of course not! I didn't think so. hehe:

[life on mars]

That did make me smile.
You of course have never made any remark even remotely political in the 7400+ posts in this thread have you? No, of course not! I didn't think so. hehe:

I followed up on the obvious Johnson reference , the book about capitalism which was referred too its all political in every shape and form and a dig .


This might help others :

Failures of State: The Inside Story of Britain’s Battle with Coronavirus recounts the extraordinary political decisions taken at the heart of Boris Johnson’s government during the global pandemic.

I get the feeling folk would have loved Boris Vaccine gamble to have failed

[Rjk]

I followed up on the obvious Johnson reference , the book about capitalism which was referred too its all political in every shape and form and a dig .


This might help others :

Failures of State: The Inside Story of Britain’s Battle with Coronavirus recounts the extraordinary political decisions taken at the heart of Boris Johnson’s government during the global pandemic.

I get the feeling folk would have loved Boris Vaccine gamble to have failed

I don't think anyone is hoping that the vaccine gamble had failed, as there would have been a few thousand more deaths by now.
I do think that the UK government response is already a failure though, and the vaccines have gone well but that still isn't going to make us close to any of the countries who have handled it well

[the other bob wilson]

I followed up on the obvious Johnson reference , the book about capitalism which was referred too its all political in every shape and form and a dig .


This might help others :

Failures of State: The Inside Story of Britain’s Battle with Coronavirus recounts the extraordinary political decisions taken at the heart of Boris Johnson’s government during the global pandemic.

I get the feeling folk would have loved Boris Vaccine gamble to have failed

So the use of the word “political” was what convinced you that the book was about capitalism .

By the way, I see the post I made on the book a few days ago where I pointed out that the two writers work for the Sunday Times, hardly a left wing publication, and also quoted some comments by David Davis, who last time I looked was a Conservative MP, that were very critical of Government policy over Covid, but, funnily enough, none of you apologists bothered to comment on that.

[goats]

So the use of the word “political” was what convinced you that the book was about capitalism .

By the way, I see the post I made on the book a few days ago where I pointed out that the two writers work for the Sunday Times, hardly a left wing publication, and also quoted some comments by David Davis, who last time I looked was a Conservative MP, that were very critical of Government policy over Covid, but, funnily enough, none of you apologists bothered to comment on that.

You switching sides now are you Bob?

[life on mars]

So the use of the word “political” was what convinced you that the book was about capitalism .

By the way, I see the post I made on the book a few days ago where I pointed out that the two writers work for the Sunday Times, hardly a left wing publication, and also quoted some comments by David Davis, who last time I looked was a Conservative MP, that were very critical of Government policy over Covid, but, funnily enough, none of you apologists bothered to comment on that.

Knew you were a sleeping Tory at heart , never thought you'd quote a raging right winger though in David Davis , you'll be voting to leave non vaccinated Europe next

[the other bob wilson]

That did make me smile.
You of course have never made any remark even remotely political in the 7400+ posts in this thread have you? No, of course not! I didn't think so. hehe:

Why,? It’s Johnson who linked the vaccine with capitalism and greed, not me, I was just repeating what I thought was a bizarre comment by the Prime Minister. However, that was enough for a completely wrong deduction to be made that a book about Coronavirus was actually about capitalism- I’ve almost finished it now and while the lives v money decisions are analysed, there’s absolutely no reference to economic theory as you Johnson apologists would realise if you read it.
Second, my only mention of the Labour Party was in bafflement as to how he managed to bring them into things! I’ve never denied I post about politics, but, agree with them or not, I like to think that what I post is coherent - I genuinely don’t get what LOM is trying to say and wondered if he had meant to post in that thread on the Labour Party.
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[xsnaggle]

Why,? It’s Johnson who linked the vaccine with capitalism and greed, not me, I was just repeating what I thought was a bizarre comment by the Prime Minister. However, that was enough for a completely wrong deduction to be made that a book about Coronavirus was actually about capitalism- I’ve almost finished it now and while the lives v money decisions are analysed, there’s absolutely no reference to economic theory as you Johnson apologists would realise if you read it.
Second, my only mention of the Labour Party was in bafflement as to how he managed to bring them into things! I’ve never denied I post about politics, but, agree with them or not, I like to think that what I post is coherent - I genuinely don’t get what LOM is trying to say and wondered if he had meant to post in that thread on the Labour Party.
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I honestly don't have an opinion one side or the other, it was just that you apparently calling somebody out for daring to make a political comment in this thread genuinely amused me. I actually laughed reading it.