I think Harris Is Acting With Dignity In A Very Difficult Situation

[J R Hartley]

As I said before, some of the criticism has been unfair and really shown us up as fans/local media, and I think Blake was bang on when he highlighted Dalman's top 6 comment as being really unhelpful. The first team is definitely better than last year but the squad has less depth (cost cutting) and we don't really know if it's better because so many players are untested at this level - anyone telling you the squad is top 6 has been lying to you and has heaped unrealistic expectations on this season. This in a season where, again, teams with the most depth of talent will have an advantage due to amount of football being played across a short period of time.

Harris has tried to bring through young players, he did try a more progressive system earlier in the season but was it 14 games in before we had threads on here asking when he should go? There was a distinct lack of interest in youth, change of style when the results and performances weren't as good as expected. However, we should be about 9th of 10th and we're some way off that now with no sign of anything other than more struggles going forward.

I don't disagree with anything you (Sludge) say in the OP, but a good man struggling in a bad situation will eventually need to be replaced or else everyone walks away a loser. Trouble is that if we send him packing now we've got really slim pickings for the next manager so will probably be looking for a caretaker to finish the season.

The upshot is Cardiff fans want to play a different style and bring youngsters through but they are not prepared to wait the time its going to take to adopt such an approach.

Bellamy summed it up perfectly in his interview with Scott Johnson recently. He would want 3-5 years to change it but the fans are too impatient they want instant success.

[Tuerto]

The upshot is Cardiff fans want to play a different style and bring youngsters through but they are not prepared to wait the time its going to take to adopt such an approach.

Bellamy summed it up perfectly in his interview with Scott Johnson recently. He would want 3-5 years to change it but the fans are too impatient they want instant success.

Some fans most certainly want instant success, but most in my opinion would be patient enough to wait, as long as they could see progress and changes within the club.

[J R Hartley]

Some fans most certainly want instant success, but most in my opinion would be patient enough to wait, as long as they could see progress and changes within the club.

Bollocks

[Jimmy the Jock]

Some fans most certainly want instant success, but most in my opinion would be patient enough to wait, as long as they could see progress and changes within the club.

Trollope would have revolutionised the way we played football. He wasn't given any time because he was going to get us relegated.

[NYCBlue]

The upshot is Cardiff fans want to play a different style and bring youngsters through but they are not prepared to wait the time its going to take to adopt such an approach.

Bellamy summed it up perfectly in his interview with Scott Johnson recently. He would want 3-5 years to change it but the fans are too impatient they want instant success.

Harris is a professional and making a pretty decent wedge. And he's been in the game long enough to not worry what fans think. It's the club hierarchy that will fire him. The club and Harris have been very fortunate that the fans have been unable to vote with their feet this season. And Harris has been given time and has been able to bring in new players. Instead of improving on last season, we have regressed. If we could see where this is going it might be different. I think the players have had enough, I think Harris has had enough.

As for him being honest, if he was honest he could at least tell us what he's trying to do. Saying "I'm trying to win games, it's up to the club if they want to sack me" is factual. (and stating the obvious) It's not what I'd call honest.

[J R Hartley]

Harris is a professional and making a pretty decent wedge. And he's been in the game long enough to not worry what fans think. It's the club hierarchy that will fire him. The club and Harris have been very fortunate that the fans have been unable to vote with their feet this season. And Harris has been given time and has been able to bring in new players. Instead of improving on last season, we have regressed. If we could see where this is going it might be different. I think the players have had enough, I think Harris has had enough.

As for him being honest, if he was honest he could at least tell us what he's trying to do. Saying "I'm trying to win games, it's up to the club if they want to sack me" is factual. (and stating the obvious) It's not what I'd call honest.

So just because its stating the obvious hes not being honest?

What are you suggesting? That he is purposely trying to lose?

Harris may not be everyones cup of tea but one thing he isnt is false. He doesnt piss down your back and tell you its raining, unlike the man who come before him.

[NYCBlue]

So just because its stating the obvious hes not being honest?

What are you suggesting? That he is purposely trying to lose?

Harris may not be everyones cup of tea but one thing he isnt is false. He doesnt piss down your back and tell you its raining, unlike the man who come before him.

I'm saying that not telling lies about what is in plain sight doesn't earn him the label of being honest or dignified. I don't think he's trying lose. I'm beginning to think he may have given up though. I am not asking you specifically, but does anyone have any idea what's going on? Is it the players? Is it the manager? Is it both? How did it get to this?

[Tuerto]

I'm saying that not telling lies about what is in plain sight doesn't earn him the label of being honest or dignified. I don't think he's trying lose. I'm beginning to think he may have given up though. I am not asking you specifically, but does anyone have any idea what's going on? Is it the players? Is it the manager? Is it both? How did it get to this?

He looks and sounds as if he's had enough in my opinion. I don't blame him for hanging it out though.

[Pedro de la Rosa]

He looks and sounds as if he's had enough in my opinion. I don't blame him for hanging it out though.

After last night there was a definite change. He's been very prickly before when asked about his future, last night he almost accepted it was a matter of time.

[DubaiDai]

The upshot is Cardiff fans want to play a different style and bring youngsters through but they are not prepared to wait the time its going to take to adopt such an approach.

Bellamy summed it up perfectly in his interview with Scott Johnson recently. He would want 3-5 years to change it but the fans are too impatient they want instant success.

I agree about the time however we are not seeing the start to any plan of change.
This is basically Warnockball but with players with less motivation