Vincent Tan to give half his wealth to charity after he dies...

[The Lone Gunman]

Maybe there’s a reason to thank him for galvanising and uniting (most) of our fan base due to the rebrand. It was fans’ anger and (the majority) getting behind the back to blue campaign that showed that perhaps our fans have got the balls to fight and right wrongs.

Are you taking the piss?

[splott parker]

Are you taking the piss?

So it wasn’t action by the fans that reversed the rebrand? Or do you reckon Tan really did act on his mother's advice.

[Tuerto]

So it wasn’t action by the fans that reversed the rebrand? Or do you reckon Tan really did act on his mother's advice.

It was, although i'd say that most of the fans who really took up the protest were against the rebrand from the start. Plenty, in fact the large majority accepted it, albeit reluctantly, whatever that means. One person who posts on here went on TV sanctioning it, with the bloke who compared it to Treats and M and M's, whatever happened to him?

I'm pretty certain that if the club had established itself in the Premier league and 30,000 crowds were a fortnightly occurence, then we'd still be in red. The shit football under Slade and the dwindling crowds certainly helped persuade Tan on putting us back into our rightful colours.

[Swiss Peter]

It was, although i'd say that most of the fans who really took up the protest were against the rebrand from the start. Plenty, in fact the large majority accepted it, albeit reluctantly, whatever that means. One person who posts on here went on TV sanctioning it, with the bloke who compared it to Treats and M and M's, whatever happened to him?

I'm pretty certain that if the club had established itself in the Premier league and 30,000 crowds were a fortnightly occurence, then we'd still be in red. The shit football under Slade and the dwindling crowds certainly helped persuade Tan on putting us back into our rightful colours.

Yes, that's much more in line with my recollection of what happened. Who can forget Red Scarf Night?

Anyway, time moves on......

[2b2bdoo]

Dup

It was, although i'd say that most of the fans who really took up the protest were against the rebrand from the start. Plenty, in fact the large majority accepted it, albeit reluctantly, whatever that means. One person who posts on here went on TV sanctioning it, with the bloke who compared it to Treats and M and M's, whatever happened to him?

I'm pretty certain that if the club had established itself in the Premier league and 30,000 crowds were a fortnightly occurence, then we'd still be in red. The shit football under Slade and the dwindling crowds certainly helped persuade Tan on putting us back into our rightful colours.

That's how I remember it.

[Tuerto]

That's how I remember it.

Cos that's how it happened Tan threatened fans over the blue, basically, stay in Blue, no cash, play in red, thousands of shirt sales in Malaysia and cash for the Prem. To be fair to Tan, he was true to his words, or threat, however people see it. I think it was the grovelling letters that some of our 'super fans' sent to Tan that saved the day. Have a read of them if you already haven't, begging letters to a lottery winner.

[splott parker]

It was, although i'd say that most of the fans who really took up the protest were against the rebrand from the start. Plenty, in fact the large majority accepted it, albeit reluctantly, whatever that means. One person who posts on here went on TV sanctioning it, with the bloke who compared it to Treats and M and M's, whatever happened to him?

I'm pretty certain that if the club had established itself in the Premier league and 30,000 crowds were a fortnightly occurence, then we'd still be in red. The shit football under Slade and the dwindling crowds certainly helped persuade Tan on putting us back into our rightful colours.

We weren’t going to establish ourselves in the Premier League though and it was realised that the hangers on would drift away diluting the thousands who didn’t give a shite about what colour we played in, leaving the back to blue crowd in the majority, a majority that ensured a return to the colour. Ironically the club’s mishandling of our initial Premier League stint led to the eventual return to blue, the ones that only craved success disappeared until the next false dawn leaving the remaining core support to stir the shit, and it worked. As some have said, it’s in the past now and will always be an interesting, if sad, footnote in our history. But, what’s also sad is that some ex fans (who, in my opinion still care deeply about the club, because it’s bloody hard not to for them) won’t return to the fold and support 100%, they still, again in my opinion, hold a grudge which is quite unhealthy and not good for the mind.

[Tuerto]

We weren’t going to establish ourselves in the Premier League though and it was realised that the hangers on would drift away diluting the thousands who didn’t give a shite about what colour we played in, leaving the back to blue crowd in the majority, a majority that ensured a return to the colour. Ironically the club’s mishandling of our initial Premier League stint led to the eventual return to blue, the ones that only craved success disappeared until the next false dawn leaving the remaining core support to stir the shit, and it worked. As some have said, it’s in the past now and will always be an interesting, if sad, footnote in our history. But, what’s also sad is that some ex fans (who, in my opinion still care deeply about the club, because it’s bloody hard not to for them) won’t return to the fold and support 100%, they still, again in my opinion, hold a grudge which is quite unhealthy and not good for the mind.

Yup, there were fans who wanted to go back to blue, but i'm not sure how vocal they were initially, those that still went to watch games. I suppose it was difficult for them, as there would've been a sizeable amount of support who didn't give a shit either way, and an element who were for the rebrand. Poor form, the debacle with Malky and that other bloke who were found to have sent racist text messages, Ole ****ing up, relegation, and general Slade, all helped in Tan reconsidering, and i'm sure it helped in swaying some fans to become more vocal, why not if hardly anything was gained from it all, we'd re assumed our previous position or lower, with inferior players. A good time to be vocal and critical, and much easier to protest when the team is struggling and there is no incentive (anymore) to play in red.

As for the fans that walked. Well, i stayed away, but returned when my son went mad for the club, although he hated red. We actually went back under Slade, or he sort of dragged me along. I'm very pleased that he did. Others who haven't returned were probably more hurt by the reaction of our support than that of Tan, although i can't speak for them. The one thing that i learnt from the whole shit show is that we may all support the same team, but our morals, ethics and perceptions are different towards the club and what we find important. That sounds a bit stupid now, why wouldn't they be? I think that i went through my CCFC supporting life thinking that when it came to the club, we all thought and wanted the same thing. How stupid and naive i was.

[Swiss Peter]

Yup, there were fans who wanted to go back to blue, but i'm not sure how vocal they were initially, those that still went to watch games. I suppose it was difficult for them, as there would've been a sizeable amount of support who didn't give a shit either way, and an element who were for the rebrand. Poor form, the debacle with Malky and that other bloke who were found to have sent racist text messages, Ole ****ing up, relegation, and general Slade, all helped in Tan reconsidering, and i'm sure it helped in swaying some fans to become more vocal, why not if hardly anything was gained from it all, we'd re assumed our previous position or lower, with inferior players. A good time to be vocal and critical, and much easier to protest when the team is struggling and there is no incentive (anymore) to play in red.

As for the fans that walked. Well, i stayed away, but returned when my son went mad for the club, although he hated red. We actually went back under Slade, or he sort of dragged me along. I'm very pleased that he did. Others who haven't returned were probably more hurt by the reaction of our support than that of Tan, although i can't speak for them. The one thing that i learnt from the whole shit show is that we may all support the same team, but our morals, ethics and perceptions are different towards the club and what we find important. That sounds a bit stupid now, why wouldn't they be? I think that i went through my CCFC supporting life thinking that when it came to the club, we all thought and wanted the same thing. How stupid and naive i was.

That's it in a nutshell, especially the highlighted bit.

Sorry, I'll stop stalking you in this thread now.

[Tuerto]

That's it in a nutshell, especially the highlighted bit.

Sorry, I'll stop stalking you in this thread now.

Swiss, you can stalk me all you like I wish that you'd post a bit more often, always enjoy your stuff and the way you put it together

[Nobody's Rep]

Yup, there were fans who wanted to go back to blue, but i'm not sure how vocal they were initially, those that still went to watch games. I suppose it was difficult for them, as there would've been a sizeable amount of support who didn't give a shit either way, and an element who were for the rebrand. Poor form, the debacle with Malky and that other bloke who were found to have sent racist text messages, Ole ****ing up, relegation, and general Slade, all helped in Tan reconsidering, and i'm sure it helped in swaying some fans to become more vocal, why not if hardly anything was gained from it all, we'd re assumed our previous position or lower, with inferior players. A good time to be vocal and critical, and much easier to protest when the team is struggling and there is no incentive (anymore) to play in red.

As for the fans that walked. Well, i stayed away, but returned when my son went mad for the club, although he hated red. We actually went back under Slade, or he sort of dragged me along. I'm very pleased that he did. Others who haven't returned were probably more hurt by the reaction of our support than that of Tan, although i can't speak for them. The one thing that i learnt from the whole shit show is that we may all support the same team, but our morals, ethics and perceptions are different towards the club and what we find important. That sounds a bit stupid now, why wouldn't they be? I think that i went through my CCFC supporting life thinking that when it came to the club, we all thought and wanted the same thing. How stupid and naive i was.

Absolutely great post and agree with the sentiment and whilst not walking away I asked my son what he wanted to do and he said he wanted to carry on following the club as he was convinced it would go back to blue and he was following and supporting the club not the owner. I'm glad he had that view as it echoed mine and we have had some great days since and will continue to do so with and without Tan. I remember the last minute winner in our first game in red I hated the game hated the fact we were in red but the emotion when that goal went it felt the same - right or wrong I don't know but it was instinctive.

My view of the couple of years in red gets catalogued alongside the hooligan years when so called fans dragged our club through the shit week in week out and we will always be associated with that period as much as we will having changed our colours - both skid marks on our history and both made decent fans stay away until things got better

Having said all that can't wait to get back to the ground and scream at complete strangers for 90 minutes 👍

[Citizen's Nephew]

Absolutely great post and agree with the sentiment and whilst not walking away I asked my son what he wanted to do and he said he wanted to carry on following the club as he was convinced it would go back to blue and he was following and supporting the club not the owner. I'm glad he had that view as it echoed mine and we have had some great days since and will continue to do so with and without Tan. I remember the last minute winner in our first game in red I hated the game hated the fact we were in red but the emotion when that goal went it felt the same - right or wrong I don't know but it was instinctive.

My view of the couple of years in red gets catalogued alongside the hooligan years when so called fans dragged our club through the shit week in week out and we will always be associated with that period as much as we will having changed our colours - both skid marks on our history and both made decent fans stay away until things got better

Having said all that can't wait to get back to the ground and scream at complete strangers for 90 minutes 👍

Two absolutely great posts. Your's and Tuerto's.

[The Lone Gunman]

So it wasn’t action by the fans that reversed the rebrand?

Not unless you consider not turning up to watch games after the team has been relegated and the football has turned to shit as 'action'.

The fact of the matter is that a far greater number of Cardiff City fans actively embraced Vincent Tan's rebrand than actively opposed it, while the large majority simply shrugged their shoulders and carried on supporting the team regardless. No amount of attempted revisionism at this stage will alter what actually happened from May 2012 until January 2015.

As for Vinnie himself, he's clearly a special kind of narcissist.

[UNDERHILL1927]

Not unless you consider not turning up to watch games after the team has been relegated and the football has turned to shit as 'action'.

The fact of the matter is that a far greater number of Cardiff City fans actively embraced Vincent Tan's rebrand than actively opposed it, while the large majority simply shrugged their shoulders and carried on supporting the team regardless. No amount of attempted revisionism at this stage will alter what actually happened from May 2012 until January 2015.

As for Vinnie himself, he's clearly a special kind of narcissist.

Agree with that and to be fair to Vinnie I have zero respect for the fans that led him down the rebrand path, blinded by money and personal greed.

I am indifferent when it comes to him, narcissist for sure and also arrogant and stubborn but mis-advised by snakes.

[The Lone Gunman]

Agree with that and to be fair to Vinnie I have zero respect for the fans that led him down the rebrand path, blinded by money and personal greed.

I don't think it's fair to say the fans led Tan down the rebrand path. That was a path very much of his own making. Of course, there were those nauseating individuals who started grovelling at his feet when he threatened to reduce his promised funding, but that was all a bluff anyway. He'd already decided the club was going to be rebranded and that was the end of that.

Tan was very definitely misadvised, but not in the way you seem to believe. When he introduced his rebranding ideas he was told by various club officials that the opposition from the fans would be fierce and strong. As it turned out, all of those involved were surprised by how meek and mild the response from the fanbase was and how few supporters took a genuine stand against the rebrand. Indeed, the number of fans who requested refunds on their season tickets was so small that the CEO was able to find time to contact most of them personally in an attempt to get them to change their minds.

[UNDERHILL1927]

I don't think it's fair to say the fans led Tan down the rebrand path. That was a path very much of his own making. Of course, there were those nauseating individuals who started grovelling at his feet when he threatened to reduce his promised funding, but that was all a bluff anyway. He'd already decided the club was going to be rebranded and that was the end of that.

Tan was very definitely misadvised, but not in the way you seem to believe. When he introduced his rebranding ideas he was told by various club officials that the opposition from the fans would be fierce and strong. As it turned out, all of those involved were surprised by how meek and mild the response from the fanbase was and how few supporters took a genuine stand against the rebrand. Indeed, the number of fans who requested refunds on their season tickets was so small that the CEO was able to find time to contact most of them personally in an attempt to get them to change their minds.

Good points well made. Still sickens me, but I'm over it now. Too old to be bitter 👊 Hope you're good mate