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Well,
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/w...rging-18607120

Can you just imagine the effect on business, tourism. This is the solution - after the Govt.said it would fund the by pass. Apparently we're going to build a couple of train stations between Cardiff and the Bridge, so that'll be all right.

South east wales accounts for the vast majority of the population , economic activity and traffic flow in this country

The travel by train is between cardiff , newport and bristol and the south wales valleys

Road travel is between swansea and bristol

The M4 is often blocked , the M50 often empty

We have geological issues that prevent us miraculously dealing with this traffic flow

Either we start charging people to use the roads as they do in the midlands or we build more roads or we improve the train service

You dont honestly think the tory government was serious about funding a new road do you ?

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South east wales accounts for the vast majority of the population , economic activity and traffic flow in this country

The travel by train is between cardiff , newport and bristol and the south wales valleys

Road travel is between swansea and bristol

The M4 is often blocked , the M50 often empty

We have geological issues that prevent us miraculously dealing with this traffic flow

Either we start charging people to use the roads as they do in the midlands or we build more roads or we improve the train service

You dont honestly think the tory government was serious about funding a new road do you ?

Why wouldn't they be serious. It fulfills the pledge to build out of the effects of the virus, shows the new Conservative voters they were serious about improving infrastructure outside the South east and it would give several years good employment to a lot of local people.
I'd think the Conservative party would want to do all those things.

If this commission has been thinking this long and the only idea they can come up with is charging the motorist again they might as well not have bothered. There is no way the welsh government will put the necessary public transport in place before they start charging. The charges will start, the money will roll in and there will be excuse after excuse why nothing is being done.
And better public transport won't do anything for the businesses that send heavy lorries down the motorway. Why would any company put its business in Wales knowing it has to pay the charges that I won't have to pay in Gloucestershire or Somerset? It's ridiculous.

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Why wouldn't they be serious. It fulfills the pledge to build out of the effects of the virus, shows the new Conservative voters they were serious about improving infrastructure outside the South east and it would give several years good employment to a lot of local people.
I'd think the Conservative party would want to do all those things.

If this commission has been thinking this long and the only idea they can come up with is charging the motorist again they might as well not have bothered. There is no way the welsh government will put the necessary public transport in place before they start charging. The charges will start, the money will roll in and there will be excuse after excuse why nothing is being done.
And better public transport won't do anything for the businesses that send heavy lorries down the motorway. Why would any company put its business in Wales knowing it has to pay the charges that I won't have to pay in Gloucestershire or Somerset? It's ridiculous.

Exactly what I thought. Even if they did build a couple of train stations do they seriously think 'public transport' is going to be a substitute for a motorway that delivers people, business people, tourists, goods and materials, directly to where they want to go. Comparisons to the midlands are superfluous - there are many alternative routes that can be used. The M4 is the gateway to probably 75% of business in Wales and 50% of tourism..