Coronavirus update - NO MORE RESTRICTIONS

[xsnaggle]

apparently you will not be able to tell the affect a 2 week lockdown has had until about a week after it ends, so a three week lockdown would make more sense.
It links in with Mark Drakeford's remark that the 2 weeks will be used for them to decide how much further they might have to go to control this.
I wouldn't hold my breath on this stopping on 9 August!!!

[lisvaneblue]

apparently you will not be able to tell the affect a 2 week lockdown has had until about a week after it ends, so a three week lockdown would make more sense.
It links in with Mark Drakeford's remark that the 2 weeks will be used for them to decide how much further they might have to go to control this.
I wouldn't hold my breath on this stopping on 9 August!!!

I think Drakeford and his team are completely over the top with this latest lockdown. To cover all of Wales including those areas with relatively low incidence is going to cause unnecessary hardship. He is very fond of knee jerk reaction which is evident by the 113 pieces of Covid related emergency legislation he has put in place in the last six months.
And we have to wait until Friday to hear what he intends to introduce once this total lockdown ends on 9 November.

[A Quiet Monkfish]

I think Drakeford and his team are completely over the top with this latest lockdown. To cover all of Wales including those areas with relatively low incidence is going to cause unnecessary hardship. He is very fond of knee jerk reaction which is evident by the 113 pieces of Covid related emergency legislation he has put in place in the last six months.
And we have to wait until Friday to hear what he intends to introduce once this total lockdown ends on 9 November.

It's a politician's moment in the sun. Standing at a rostrum knowing they have a large captive audience, delivering a solemn warning of dire things ahead, stretching their words out so there's a gap of seconds between each one. They're lovin' it. Drakeford will be forgotten and consigned to history when it's all over - he's positively thriving at the moment..

[cyril evans awaydays]

I think Drakeford and his team are completely over the top with this latest lockdown. To cover all of Wales including those areas with relatively low incidence is going to cause unnecessary hardship. He is very fond of knee jerk reaction which is evident by the 113 pieces of Covid related emergency legislation he has put in place in the last six months.
And we have to wait until Friday to hear what he intends to introduce once this total lockdown ends on 9 November.

Only 4 days ago you said

"At the end of the day our democratically elected government is responsible. By all means listen to everyone views, the government then needs to decide what action should be taken. Otherwise we are moving towards anarchy."

What changed your mind?

[lisvaneblue]

Only 4 days ago you said

"At the end of the day our democratically elected government is responsible. By all means listen to everyone views, the government then needs to decide what action should be taken. Otherwise we are moving towards anarchy."

What changed your mind?

As you know that comment related to the Manchester stand off. However, it's true for the Senedd as well.

Thing about Drakeford is that he seems to listen only to the views of his technical advisors. He said as much in his speech. He doesn't appear to listen to everyone's views. He also exaggerates.......are all the intensive care beds in Wales full....no they are not, so why does he say it?
He doesn't appear to be concerned at all about the impact on the Welsh economy. I don't think he understands business. In the short term the Treasury pick up most of the bill for the economic lockdown in Wales, and I don't think he's considered the longer term impact on business.
There was an interesting comment from a nurse on the radio this morning. She said that if all the money spent on lockdowns to protect the NHS had been spent instead on the NHS, things might be very different.

[goats]

As you know that comment related to the Manchester stand off. However, it's true for the Senedd as well.

Thing about Drakeford is that he seems to listen only to the views of his technical advisors. He said as much in his speech. He doesn't appear to listen to everyone's views. He also exaggerates.......are all the intensive care beds in Wales full....no they are not, so why does he say it?
He doesn't appear to be concerned at all about the impact on the Welsh economy. I don't think he understands business. In the short term the Treasury pick up most of the bill for the economic lockdown in Wales, and I don't think he's considered the longer term impact on business.
There was an interesting comment from a nurse on the radio this morning. She said that if all the money spent on lockdowns to protect the NHS had been spent instead on the NHS, things might be very different.

He doesn’t care about the economy though, he probably thinks the repercussions of it will just fall at the door of the tories, causing them more problems, which he will love.

[LeningradCowboy]

As you know that comment related to the Manchester stand off. However, it's true for the Senedd as well.

Thing about Drakeford is that he seems to listen only to the views of his technical advisors. He said as much in his speech. He doesn't appear to listen to everyone's views. He also exaggerates.......are all the intensive care beds in Wales full....no they are not, so why does he say it?
He doesn't appear to be concerned at all about the impact on the Welsh economy. I don't think he understands business. In the short term the Treasury pick up most of the bill for the economic lockdown in Wales, and I don't think he's considered the longer term impact on business.
There was an interesting comment from a nurse on the radio this morning. She said that if all the money spent on lockdowns to protect the NHS had been spent instead on the NHS, things might be very different.

He seems to think that he can turn on and off sectors of the economy like a tap.

[Vindec]

He seems to think that he can turn on and off sectors of the economy like a tap.

Drakeford is taking the action he has because he doesn't have to pay for the consequences. £300m of the cost of Wales firebreak will come from the UK government as will the Furlough Mk2 payments. If the money was to be funded from Welsh coffers we would end up with a different strategy along the lines of local lockdowns as in England.

[cyril evans awaydays]

As you know that comment related to the Manchester stand off. However, it's true for the Senedd as well.

Thing about Drakeford is that he seems to listen only to the views of his technical advisors. He said as much in his speech. He doesn't appear to listen to everyone's views. He also exaggerates.......are all the intensive care beds in Wales full....no they are not, so why does he say it?
He doesn't appear to be concerned at all about the impact on the Welsh economy. I don't think he understands business. In the short term the Treasury pick up most of the bill for the economic lockdown in Wales, and I don't think he's considered the longer term impact on business.
There was an interesting comment from a nurse on the radio this morning. She said that if all the money spent on lockdowns to protect the NHS had been spent instead on the NHS, things might be very different.

The bit I couldn't quite follow on your original post was that Drakeford has been knee jerk because of 113 pieces of emergency legislation had been put in place since the outbreak. I tried on google to find the supporting evidence but the only thing that I could find was a letter from someone in Brynmawr quoting that number as fact.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/...-big-lockdown/

There are around that number of entries on the gov.wales website covering Welsh legislation imposing coronavirus restrictions, Revoked coronavirus restrictions legislation, Guidance on the principal Regulations, and related coronavirus legislation.

https://gov.wales/coronavirus-legisl...d-guidance-law

Lots of the amendments are applying local restrictions as they arose and particular restrictions on air travel destinations. I don't have the English equivalent of emergency legislation but given the number of lockdowns there it is likely to be a larger amount of regulatory change in an equivalent time. Obviously this was introduced rationally, non-anarchically rather than in the kneejerk fashion it was in Wales.

There may be cogent arguments to criticise the Welsh Government for how they acted and when but bandying around legislative numbers, perhaps because they are circulating as talking points in the Welsh Conservative party members' twittersphere is unlikely to further them.

[lisvaneblue]

The bit I couldn't quite follow on your original post was that Drakeford has been knee jerk because of 113 pieces of emergency legislation had been put in place since the outbreak. I tried on google to find the supporting evidence but the only thing that I could find was a letter from someone in Brynmawr quoting that number as fact.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/...-big-lockdown/

There are around that number of entries on the gov.wales website covering Welsh legislation imposing coronavirus restrictions, Revoked coronavirus restrictions legislation, Guidance on the principal Regulations, and related coronavirus legislation.

https://gov.wales/coronavirus-legisl...d-guidance-law

Lots of the amendments are applying local restrictions as they arose and particular restrictions on air travel destinations. I don't have the English equivalent of emergency legislation but given the number of lockdowns there it is likely to be a larger amount of regulatory change in an equivalent time. Obviously this was introduced rationally, non-anarchically rather than in the kneejerk fashion it was in Wales.

There may be cogent arguments to criticise the Welsh Government for how they acted and when but bandying around legislative numbers, perhaps because they are circulating as talking points in the Welsh Conservative party members' twittersphere is unlikely to further them.

Im sure our friend from Brynmawr who quoted 113 bits of legislation took just as much trouble looking up the numbers as you are obviously doing. I spent 5 mins on google. Deeside.com shows Wales Gov saying over 50 before mid- July. I then quickly found another 34 since that time on Wales Gov website and Ive not got as far as the latest lockdown legislation. So overall the number of 113 looks solid.

I still maintain this a knee jerk reaction, and if it were otherwise Im sure he'd not be fudging what might happen to us after 9 November. He can't be waiting see the result of the lockdown as he said it will not show a result for some weeks

[Rjk]

Im sure our friend from Brynmawr who quoted 113 bits of legislation took just as much trouble looking up the numbers as you are obviously doing. I spent 5 mins on google. Deeside.com shows Wales Gov saying over 50 before mid- July. I then quickly found another 34 since that time on Wales Gov website and Ive not got as far as the latest lockdown legislation. So overall the number of 113 looks solid.

I still maintain this a knee jerk reaction, and if it were otherwise Im sure he'd not be fudging what might happen to us after 9 November. He can't be waiting see the result of the lockdown as he said it will not show a result for some weeks

Tens of thousands of people unnecessarily died because the government locked down too slowly earlier in the year. I can't really blame him for wanting to act more decisively this time around. I wouldn't want that on my conscience.

One thing's for sure, there will be a lot of people comparing the number of cases between England and Wales in a fortnight's time and saying it means that their preferred political party made the better decision.

[goats]

I think Drakeford and his team are completely over the top with this latest lockdown. To cover all of Wales including those areas with relatively low incidence is going to cause unnecessary hardship. He is very fond of knee jerk reaction which is evident by the 113 pieces of Covid related emergency legislation he has put in place in the last six months.
And we have to wait until Friday to hear what he intends to introduce once this total lockdown ends on 9 November.

There’s a lot of businesses in Pembrokeshire and west wales that were relying on that trade continuing until November. Who knows what will happen to them now. Strange how it’s been busier than ever down that way for the last 3 months yet no Covid outbreaks? People staying at a place I let just cancelled, coming from Buckinghamshire where there is also very low Covid. I can live with it but my cleaner lost £80 x at least 10 places, so did the laundry, mine had booked into 3 pubs to eat so they lose out too. I’m sure the list is endless.
There are tests that give you a result in 20 mins ffs. Why do only private companies have them, yet we blow billions? And they wonder why no one is listening anymore......