Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee View Post
If this game is really down to the players, that managers have such little effect and that failures are down to the players, then surely successful managers are only successful due to the players and that managers are, to a point, irrelevant, so why have them? Or are managers hugely influential?
It was in a different time I know but as the years pass, the achievements of Brian Clough and Peter Taylor, especially at Forest, stand out more and more as truly remarkable feats of management.

(Ignore Clough’s time at Brighton and Leeds obvs ;-) And I think that Forest got relegated in his final season, but he wasn’t the same man by then)