Churchill

[Maurice Swan]

Without Churchill, Britain would have lost the war. His part in The Tonypandy Riots has mostly been misinformed. It was the Police that caused most friction.
A very good synopsis is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tonypandy_riots

[Rjk]

Without Churchill, Britain would have lost the war. His part in The Tonypandy Riots has mostly been misinformed. It was the Police that caused most friction.
A very good synopsis is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tonypandy_riots

it's impossible not say we would have lost the war without Churchill we had many other military leaders. considering new played a pretty minor role in the second world war it's a bit of a stretch.

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it's impossible not say we would have lost the war without Churchill we had many other military leaders. considering new played a pretty minor role in the second world war it's a bit of a stretch.

When Churchill took over Chamberlain and Halifax were already in touch with The Italian Government asking if Mussolini could broker a face saving deal with Adolf.
It was only the fact that at that moment the Italians invaded Abyssinia that stopped them doing it.

[Sparticus_Mills]

When Churchill took over Chamberlain and Halifax were already in touch with The Italian Government asking if Mussolini could broker a face saving deal with Adolf.
It was only the fact that at that moment the Italians invaded Abyssinia that stopped them doing it.

There's so much wrong with that, I don't know where to start.

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There's so much wrong with that, I don't know where to start.

do try!!!

[Sparticus_Mills]

do try!!!

Italy invaded Abyssinia in 1935, not 1940. Chamberlain had nothing to do with putting out feelers to the Italians, that was all Halifax's work, Chamberlain supported Churchill, as a result, Halifax was persuaded not to resign, and all thoughts of a peace agreement were shelved.

[CCFCC3PO]

Italy invaded Abyssinia in 1935, not 1940. Chamberlain had nothing to do with putting out feelers to the Italians, that was all Halifax's work, Chamberlain supported Churchill, as a result, Halifax was persuaded not to resign, and all thoughts of a peace agreement were shelved.

Yep, Chamberlain was still leader of the Conservatives, despite not being PM. Churchill feared that he would be outvoted, but managed to get Chamberlain's support. Quite a critical moment.

[CCFCC3PO]

When Churchill took over Chamberlain and Halifax were already in touch with The Italian Government asking if Mussolini could broker a face saving deal with Adolf.
It was only the fact that at that moment the Italians invaded Abyssinia that stopped them doing it.

Dear God.

[Tuerto]

Without Churchill, Britain would have lost the war. His part in The Tonypandy Riots has mostly been misinformed. It was the Police that caused most friction.
A very good synopsis is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tonypandy_riots

Correction-Without Russia.

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Correction-Without Russia.

But Russian only survived long enough to fight back because we and the USA supplied them with tanks guns aeroplanes and other equipment without which they wouldn't have been able to hold the German army back long enough for General winter to get involved. Hundreds of british sailors died on the Murmansk convoys so Russia could "win" the war.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

But Russian only survived long enough to fight back because we and the USA supplied them with tanks guns aeroplanes and other equipment without which they wouldn't have been able to hold the German army back long enough for General winter to get involved. Hundreds of british sailors died on the Murmansk convoys so Russia could "win" the war.

And they were very brave sailors

How many Russian men and women died fighting and exhausting the German forces on the eastern front so the allied forces could move in from the west ?

Stalingrad was the key to hitler being defeated and it was Russian men and women who died in their hundreds of thousands

[A Quiet Monkfish]

And they were very brave sailors

How many Russian men and women died fighting and exhausting the German forces on the eastern front so the allied forces could move in from the west ?

Stalingrad was the key to hitler being defeated and it was Russian men and women who died in their hundreds of thousands

Absolutely. However Hitler only ever wanted to expand eastward -he had a pathological hatred for the Eastern European States and Russia. It was when France, then the UK declared war on Germany that the war moved westward..

[Packerman]

Absolutely. However Hitler only ever wanted to expand eastward -he had a pathological hatred for the Eastern European States and Russia. It was when France, then the UK declared war on Germany that the war moved westward..

Hitler occupied the demilitarised Rhineland in 1936 violating the Treaty of Versailles,

[lardy]

Absolutely. However Hitler only ever wanted to expand eastward -he had a pathological hatred for the Eastern European States and Russia. It was when France, then the UK declared war on Germany that the war moved westward..

But they didn't improvise a plan on the hop to go west once war was suddenly declared. He wanted expansion in all directions on the continent. They knew and expected the declaration.

[goats]

And they were very brave sailors

How many Russian men and women died fighting and exhausting the German forces on the eastern front so the allied forces could move in from the west ?

Stalingrad was the key to hitler being defeated and it was Russian men and women who died in their hundreds of thousands

20 million Russians wasn’t it? Basically doing anything to stop the German wave from taking the city

[Tuerto]

But Russian only survived long enough to fight back because we and the USA supplied them with tanks guns aeroplanes and other equipment without which they wouldn't have been able to hold the German army back long enough for General winter to get involved. Hundreds of british sailors died on the Murmansk convoys so Russia could "win" the war.

Snaggs......

[bobh]

Snaggs......

Brilliant!



I wish he could post in this thread and set a few facts straight.

[goats]

But Russian only survived long enough to fight back because we and the USA supplied them with tanks guns aeroplanes and other equipment without which they wouldn't have been able to hold the German army back long enough for General winter to get involved. Hundreds of british sailors died on the Murmansk convoys so Russia could "win" the war.

The things you never hear about. Although I have the book Stalingrad, it’s my next read.

[NYCBlue]

Without Churchill, Britain would have lost the war. His part in The Tonypandy Riots has mostly been misinformed. It was the Police that caused most friction.
A very good synopsis is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tonypandy_riots

Churchill was pissed by lunchtime every day. The biggest role he played was rallying the people. Britain would have lost the war without Russia and the USA. Operation Barbarossa and Pearl Harbour were two of the best things that ever happened to Churchill.