The Von-Layen Tamer

[xsnaggle]

Any deal with free trade has to be better than no deal.

We had free trade when we were in though.

Lets see how better or worse off we are in the next few years.

We will probably be a bit worse off initially, but with new trade agreements we can now have with other nations as an independent country there is no reason why over a few years we can't cancel that out and go further.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

We will probably be a bit worse off initially, but with new trade agreements we can now have with other nations as an independent country there is no reason why over a few years we can't cancel that out and go further.

So what can an independent UK offer for better trade deals, than we had under the EU, than the EU offer?

[jon1959]

We will probably be a bit worse off initially, but with new trade agreements we can now have with other nations as an independent country there is no reason why over a few years we can't cancel that out and go further.

Who is the 'we' in that statement?

'We' as in 'friends of Boris Johnson', and 'we' as in advocates of low wage - low regulation - tax avoiding businesses, and 'we' as in fantasists who welcome marginalisation and WTO tariff regimes, and 'we' as in Little Englanders?

I'm sure some people will make a mint out of post-Brexit trade deals, but on balance I doubt Joe and Jane Public will be amongst them.

And 'independent country'? In the world of 21st century globalism, institutional and treaty interdependence and big tech, even the idea of sovereign nation independence is a fairy tale.

Hopefully this is close to the least bad trade deal that the UK government could achieve - but from all the reports that sounds very unlikely.

[xsnaggle]

Who is the 'we' in that statement?

'We' as in 'friends of Boris Johnson', and 'we' as in advocates of low wage - low regulation - tax avoiding businesses, and 'we' as in fantasists who welcome marginalisation and WTO tariff regimes, and 'we' as in Little Englanders?

I'm sure some people will make a mint out of post-Brexit trade deals, but on balance I doubt Joe and Jane Public will be amongst them.

And 'independent country'? In the world of 21st century globalism, institutional and treaty interdependence and big tech, even the idea of sovereign nation independence is a fairy tale.

Hopefully this is close to the least bad trade deal that the UK government could achieve - but from all the reports that sounds very unlikely.

but all the reports are from people who haven't seen it, just as you or I haven't. The 'we' I referred to was the people of the UK generally, ?i wasn't being party political which you clearly are. Whatever the deal you will slag it off either because you voted remain or because it was negotiated by the conservative government, or given your normal-line statements probably both.
Leaving the EU was voted for by the people. Live with it.