The difference between us and them is there is a very strong independence movement , backed up by votes , in Scotland
Thankfully , from my point of view it's not the same here
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The difference between us and them is there is a very strong independence movement , backed up by votes , in Scotland
Thankfully , from my point of view it's not the same here
I can quite understand that, in terms of the union, Wales, Northern Ireland and Scotland have far less power, even combined, than England has on its own. In essence we are governed by England, given money to spend by England, England tells us what we can decide for ourselves in the Senedd. Politically, England is far different to the other countries and there's barely been an election where the votes of the other countries has made a difference. Some will say that England, being by far the biggest country, should have most of the power and say, but it's also understandable that some in Scotland and Wales will want more control over their countries.Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
I dont think that you quite grasp how a general election works. The votes in all four countries aren't separate, they are all added together to give an overall result for the whole of the UK. Hence the term ‘general’. It always makes me laugh when people like Nichola Sturgeon or Mark Drakeford come on tv after a general election and claim that Wales chose to be governed by Labour and rejects the Tories or Scotland voted for independance because their parties got more seats in their particular area. Er no ….. its not a country by country vote. The whole of the UK is split into constituencies and the WHOLE of the UK decides who governs the WHOLE of the UK. Thats what democracy is. Each country is then given some additional powers to run itself via assemblies voted for by the people of each country but what is devolved is decided centrally by the Government that the whole of the UK voted in. Simple really but some people don't like it.
I think the point is that if those countries were independant they could get a government that reflects the wishes of their populations, rather than one that is foisted on them by people in the south east of England.
Well said. Also true of the Brexit vote and Northern Ireland, where 56% of the population voted remain and look at the mess that's since caused.
I think I calculated that, as long as England's voters voted 55% for either one of the outcomes, the rest of the UK's voters could have voted 100% the opposite way and still lost.
To be fair, that's not how a general election works either.
You are correct that the whole of the UK decides who governs the whole of the UK. I haven't suggested anything else.
I will repeat myself as you seem a bit slow on the uptake here, but if you looked at virtually any general election over the last 100 years or more, took away the votes from Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland, the overall result would have remained unchanged, meaning the overall vote from Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland has not mattered in the grand scheme of things.
You clearly aren't interested in Wales, Scotland or Northern Ireland having more of a say in how they run their own countries. To you, we're all one UK. That's fair enough, it's up to you. But surely you can see why those in the smaller countries don't think that set up works best for them in terms.
Foreign rule has served us well hasn't it.
Isn't Wales the lowest revenue from tax per population in the UK?
If so how would that work if we were independant?
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