Train strikes

[Doucas]

A few points, inflation is happening and has been happening for years, certainly pre COVID. The hens are coming home roost about Brexit, as well. Network Rail made 500m last year. The rich are getting richer, and the working classes are paying for it. Inflation is brought on by Tory ineptitude and greed. Pay rises should be in line with inflation, as the products are made more and more expensive. National Rail also put their fares up by 4% this year, while staff haven't had a pay rise in 4 years.

Re the wrong side of history comment, if anyone will come out on the wrong side of history, it will be the Tories and the rich. The NR boss is on 600k a year while many staff are on under 20k a year, and are getting poorer year on year.

The gap between rich and the rest in this country is growing at an alarming rate, and if we don't stop it now, we never will. The Tories want this to happen, and they want the strike to sow division.

As for Mick Lynch, refreshing to hear someone sit so many of these politicians and "experts" down. He knows his stuff, and he also doesn't have to worry about his "progression" or the rest of the garbage the MPs and other guests think about. He's doing what he thinks is right and has the facts to back it up and the lying Tory MPs have no answer apart from personal insults.

Well said, I cannot get my head around why anyone votes tory these days. Fortunately the young see through the lies and how the media is basically all owned by right wing billionaires. You look at the demographics and you'll see tories are dying out. I've known 3 Tories in my life closely, one believed in angels, one turned out to literally be a paedophile and the other was a wife beater.

Why is there a huge correlation between education and voting left wing? Weird that.

Most young people want what people in this country had in the past, houses and families. In the 60s you could own a house and have a family just on a postman's salary without your other half working, why have we made society so that we can't do this today? Weird how there's more billionaires than ever now.

[lardy]

Well said, I cannot get my head around why anyone votes tory these days. Fortunately the young see through the lies and how the media is basically all owned by right wing billionaires. You look at the demographics and you'll see tories are dying out. I've known 3 Tories in my life closely, one believed in angels, one turned out to literally be a paedophile and the other was a wife beater.

Why is there a huge correlation between education and voting left wing? Weird that.

Most young people want what people in this country had in the past, houses and families. In the 60s you could own a house and have a family just on a postman's salary without your other half working, why have we made society so that we can't do this today? Weird how there's more billionaires than ever now.

Sadly, people get more right wing as they get older

[splott parker]

Sadly, people get more right wing as they get older

Not me

[North Cardiff Blue]

Sadly, people get more right wing as they get older

I think people vote for what is best for them and their families at the time, thats why you shouldn't be a fixed Labour or Tory or anywhere inbetween, sometimes youre circusmtances will change in either direction.

[lardy]

I think people vote for what is best for them and their families at the time, thats why you shouldn't be a fixed Labour or Tory or anywhere inbetween, sometimes youre circusmtances will change in either direction.

Yeah I think that has a lot to do with it

[HiVis]

Yeah I think that has a lot to do with it

People become more conservative as they get older because they want certainty not change. It is also true to say that by and large, you're more idealistic when you are younger so you want more radical policies rather than the status quo.

[North Cardiff Blue]

Well said, I cannot get my head around why anyone votes tory these days. Fortunately the young see through the lies and how the media is basically all owned by right wing billionaires. You look at the demographics and you'll see tories are dying out. I've known 3 Tories in my life closely, one believed in angels, one turned out to literally be a paedophile and the other was a wife beater.

Why is there a huge correlation between education and voting left wing? Weird that.

Most young people want what people in this country had in the past, houses and families. In the 60s you could own a house and have a family just on a postman's salary without your other half working, why have we made society so that we can't do this today? Weird how there's more billionaires than ever now.

Sounds lovely where in the World could someone be a postman and buy a nice house and keep a family on one average wage?

Back then although it may have been possible, although i'm not sure it really was in reality, people wanted a lot less and it was a much lower standard of living.

[dml1954]

Well said, I cannot get my head around why anyone votes tory these days. Fortunately the young see through the lies and how the media is basically all owned by right wing billionaires. You look at the demographics and you'll see tories are dying out. I've known 3 Tories in my life closely, one believed in angels, one turned out to literally be a paedophile and the other was a wife beater.

Why is there a huge correlation between education and voting left wing? Weird that.

Most young people want what people in this country had in the past, houses and families. In the 60s you could own a house and have a family just on a postman's salary without your other half working, why have we made society so that we can't do this today? Weird how there's more billionaires than ever now.

So, based on your obviously vast experience (poll sample of 3 and we only have your word for their ‘failings’ anyway !), anyone who votes Tory is either off with the fairies, a paedophile or a wife beater. Jesus wept what a stupid thing to say. A golden example of why anyone should NEVER vote Socialist. Nearly 14 million people voted Tory by the way in 2019. Anyone who thinks these rail strikes aren't orchestrated by left wing parties only had to look at the front row of the march in support yesterday, to get a major reality check. Labour firmly in the pocket of the Unions once again - nothing changes does it.

[JamesWales]

Well said, I cannot get my head around why anyone votes tory these days. Fortunately the young see through the lies and how the media is basically all owned by right wing billionaires. You look at the demographics and you'll see tories are dying out. I've known 3 Tories in my life closely, one believed in angels, one turned out to literally be a paedophile and the other was a wife beater.

Why is there a huge correlation between education and voting left wing? Weird that.

Most young people want what people in this country had in the past, houses and families. In the 60s you could own a house and have a family just on a postman's salary without your other half working, why have we made society so that we can't do this today? Weird how there's more billionaires than ever now.

Absolutely barmy

You've accidentally posted your letter to Viz on CCMB mate.

[North Cardiff Blue]

Absolutely barmy

You've accidentally posted your letter to Viz on CCMB mate.

It's a cracker isn't it, he's obviously so superior and well educated

[the other bob wilson]

Absolutely barmy

You've accidentally posted your letter to Viz on CCMB mate.

It’s not barmy to ask why people vote Tory these days. Brexit? Immigration? Union bashing? I only mention those three because the Tories appear to have the debate centred on these subjects in the days leading up to a couple of by elections where they are under pressure in seats they hold.

As for dml’s claims about left wing party’s orchestrating the rail strikes, do you think Labour welcome a national rail strike on the day of the Wakefield by election?

[JamesWales]

It’s not barmy to ask why people vote Tory these days. Brexit? Immigration? Union bashing? I only mention those three because the Tories appear to have the debate centred on these subjects in the days leading up to a couple of by elections where they are under pressure in seats they hold.

As for dml’s claims about left wing party’s orchestrating the rail strikes, do you think Labour welcome a national rail strike on the day of the Wakefield by election?

Asking a sensible question about why people vote a certain way is of course legitimate. But not when framed in such an absurd, inaccurate and generally abusive and ignorant manner littered with falsehoods, tropes and populist rose-tinted gossip about how great the 60's were.

It would be an interesting topic to explore, I agree. Start a thread.

[the other bob wilson]

Asking a sensible question about why people vote a certain way is of course legitimate. But not when framed in such an absurd, inaccurate and generally abusive and ignorant manner littered with falsehoods, tropes and populist rose-tinted gossip about how great the 60's were.

It would be an interesting topic to explore, I agree. Start a thread.

Is that a command?

[the other bob wilson]

Asking a sensible question about why people vote a certain way is of course legitimate. But not when framed in such an absurd, inaccurate and generally abusive and ignorant manner littered with falsehoods, tropes and populist rose-tinted gossip about how great the 60's were.

It would be an interesting topic to explore, I agree. Start a thread.

For a start, I was growing up in the sixties and Doucas is right about how there were home owning families where the husband would be the only bread winner - I wouldn’t say it was common as far as home owning is concerned, but not one of the wives in the block of six houses I lived in from 1963 was in full time employment.

Is Doucas wrong to say there are more billionaires these days (I’ll also ask if there are more in poverty in this country although I know the answer)? I accept he’s got a bee in his bonnet about how all of us old fogeys are right wingers, but about seven or eight years ago I was telling my nieces and nephew that I didn’t envy them having to grow up when they were compared to when I did and, if anything, that’s truer today than it was then.

[dml1954]

It’s not barmy to ask why people vote Tory these days. Brexit? Immigration? Union bashing? I only mention those three because the Tories appear to have the debate centred on these subjects in the days leading up to a couple of by elections where they are under pressure in seats they hold.

As for dml’s claims about left wing party’s orchestrating the rail strikes, do you think Labour welcome a national rail strike on the day of the Wakefield by election?

They would welcome a rail strike on any day. Why anyway, do most Labour supporters travel to vote by train ?

[the other bob wilson]

They would welcome a rail strike on any day. Why anyway, do most Labour supporters travel to vote by train ?

Talk about naive! Tomorrow, Labour need to get anything from 1,500 to 3,000 people who did not vote for them in 2019 in Wakefield to do so this time - do you really think that “organising” a national rail strike is a good way to do that? Maybe that’s why Labour are losing General Elections - they should organise a General Strike for the one in 2024

[North Cardiff Blue]

Talk about naive! Tomorrow, Labour need to get anything from 1,500 to 3,000 people who did not vote for them in 2019 in Wakefield to do so this time - do you really think that “organising” a national rail strike is a good way to do that? Maybe that’s why Labour are losing General Elections - they should organise a General Strike for the one in 2024

They don't mean anything anyway, almost always protest votes to try and give the goverment a kick up the arse, Labour should win them both easiliy, although their is the boring Stalmer factor so you never know, but it would be a much big shock seeing a tory winner than Bale and Ramsey in City shirts.

[the other bob wilson]

They don't mean anything anyway, almost always protest votes to try and give the goverment a kick up the arse, Labour should win them both easiliy, although their is the boring Stalmer factor so you never know, but it would be a much big shock seeing a tory winner than Bale and Ramsey in City shirts.

Labour certainly aren’t going to win the one in Devon.

[dml1954]

Talk about naive! Tomorrow, Labour need to get anything from 1,500 to 3,000 people who did not vote for them in 2019 in Wakefield to do so this time - do you really think that “organising” a national rail strike is a good way to do that? Maybe that’s why Labour are losing General Elections - they should organise a General Strike for the one in 2024

If Labour think that having a rail strike now is so bad, why did 25 of its MP’s join in on the front row of the march supporting it ? I think that you are the naive one if you think Labour is doing anything but wringing their hands in glee at the prospect. They would actually have to talk about their own non existent policies otherwise.

[the other bob wilson]

If Labour think that having a rail strike now is so bad, why did 25 of its MP’s join in on the front row of the march supporting it ? I think that you are the naive one if you think Labour is doing anything but wringing their hands in glee at the prospect. They would actually have to talk about their own non existent policies otherwise.

I suggest you look up the meaning of “wringing their hands”, you don’t do it in glee. You really don’t get it do you, why do you think Starmer is, first, telling the shadow cabinet not to join picket lines and, second, so reluctant to back the strike? It’s because the strikes are a subject that puts his party on the defensive, just like Partygate, the cost of living crisis and stacks of other things I could mention puts the Tories on the back foot.

[Claude Blue]

If Labour think that having a rail strike now is so bad, why did 25 of its MP’s join in on the front row of the march supporting it ? I think that you are the naive one if you think Labour is doing anything but wringing their hands in glee at the prospect. They would actually have to talk about their own non existent policies otherwise.

It comes as no surprise that you have a slavish and sycophantic adherence to this Tory government as much as you do to the management of Cardiff City!

You are the perfect drone that the likes of Johnson, Rees Mogg, Patel, et al rely on. Lynton Crosby would love you, as I'm sure would Vincent Tan.

You seem incapable of any independent thought, a cap doffing worker bee obedient to your master.

Here's a tip. You can occasionally be critical of your political party, football team, boss, etc. In fact it's healthy to do so.

[North Cardiff Blue]

Well said, I cannot get my head around why anyone votes tory these days. Fortunately the young see through the lies and how the media is basically all owned by right wing billionaires. You look at the demographics and you'll see tories are dying out. I've known 3 Tories in my life closely, one believed in angels, one turned out to literally be a paedophile and the other was a wife beater.

Why is there a huge correlation between education and voting left wing? Weird that.

Most young people want what people in this country had in the past, houses and families. In the 60s you could own a house and have a family just on a postman's salary without your other half working, why have we made society so that we can't do this today? Weird how there's more billionaires than ever now.

Amazing seeing as you have never told a lie, and you know hundreds of people also none of those have ever told a lie or broken a covid rule come to that, and only three are tories, I think you want to question whether or not any of them have ever lied to you as the torries won the last election by a landslide!

[JamesWales]

Amazing seeing as you have never told a lie, and you know hundreds of people also none of those have ever told a lie or broken a covid rule come to that, and only three are tories, I think you want to question whether or not any of them have ever lied to you as the torries won the last election by a landslide!

As if anyone who is a Tory would tell Doucus. It reminds me of a raging homophobe I once knew in work who would say "Well I don't know any of these bloody gays". Yeah mate..I wonder why.