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    Re: Coronavirus update

    Quote Originally Posted by delmbox View Post
    The point I'm trying to make is that although some people like to put graphics up saying comparing it to other diseases which weren't reported in the same way, the fact remains that countries across the world are taking unprecedented steps to combat it which suggests that isn't the media lie that they suggest.

    Yes, guy from school on Facebook who never left my home town, congratulations on sharing the fact that you know that flu currently kills a lot more than the coronavirus. I'm going to take more notice of the actions of governments advised by medical experts though ta
    OK, fair enough and I agree that it is pointless comparing this with cancer and diabetes as some are doing.

    However, I also agree that the news outlets are not giving out many facts other than number of cases, number of deaths. Number of recoveries is also important.

    Also, I'd like to hear more from those that have recovered. Were they very sick, were they not sick at all?

    And, I'd like to know more about the cases in Italy, are people's symptoms getting worse - i.e. is the illness mutating. The death rate in Italy is 39% of closed cases, worldwide that is 6% but that is factoring in the Chinese lies, Iranian lies. South Korea is 19%. UK is 25% at the moment. But, is that because we don't consider a person recovered until they test negative etc, or is it because there is something else going on?

    Once I get all these sorts of facts, I can make a decision about whether or not this is something I need to lose sleep over.

    I also think some countries should be left off these stats because their accuracy is in question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO View Post
    OK, fair enough and I agree that it is pointless comparing this with cancer and diabetes as some are doing.

    However, I also agree that the news outlets are not giving out many facts other than number of cases, number of deaths. Number of recoveries is also important.

    Also, I'd like to hear more from those that have recovered. Were they very sick, were they not sick at all?

    And, I'd like to know more about the cases in Italy, are people's symptoms getting worse - i.e. is the illness mutating. The death rate in Italy is 39% of closed cases, worldwide that is 6% but that is factoring in the Chinese lies, Iranian lies. South Korea is 19%. UK is 25% at the moment. But, is that because we don't consider a person recovered until they test negative etc, or is it because there is something else going on?

    Once I get all these sorts of facts, I can make a decision about whether or not this is something I need to lose sleep over.

    I also think some countries should be left off these stats because their accuracy is in question.
    Italy is on lockdown and you want further proof before you make a decision on whether you should lose any sleep

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    Re: Coronavirus update

    Quote Originally Posted by ninian opinian View Post
    Italy is on lockdown and you want further proof before you make a decision on whether you should lose any sleep
    Yes, in short. Why should the action of a single Government make me more or less worried than the actual stats.

    For example, someone who tested positive said it was like a cold, another like the flu. The question, why is the death rate so high in Italy is a valid one. Are significantly more older people getting the disease there for example. I could run out and buy loads of loo roll and pasta.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO View Post
    Yes, in short. Why should the action of a single Government make me more or less worried than the actual stats.

    For example, someone who tested positive said it was like a cold, another like the flu. The question, why is the death rate so high in Italy is a valid one. Are significantly more older people getting the disease there for example. I could run out and buy loads of loo roll and pasta.
    Italy because they have the oldest population in Europe, 81 average of death rate.

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    Re: Coronavirus update

    Quote Originally Posted by goats View Post
    Italy because they have the oldest population in Europe, 81 average of death rate.
    Just spoke to my mate who lives in northern Italy, he told me the reason why so many old people have died. When they initially shut the schools all the kids went off to stay with their grandparents so the parents could carry on working. Loads got infected this way apparently which explains a lot. We should isolate the oldies now, stay in if your over 65.

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    Re: Coronavirus update

    Quote Originally Posted by goats View Post
    Just spoke to my mate who lives in northern Italy, he told me the reason why so many old people have died. When they initially shut the schools all the kids went off to stay with their grandparents so the parents could carry on working. Loads got infected this way apparently which explains a lot. We should isolate the oldies now, stay in if your over 65.
    So if they shut schools in this country where do all the children go. You wouldnt have all the parents stopping working.

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    Re: Coronavirus update

    Quote Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO View Post
    OK, fair enough and I agree that it is pointless comparing this with cancer and diabetes as some are doing.

    However, I also agree that the news outlets are not giving out many facts other than number of cases, number of deaths. Number of recoveries is also important.

    Also, I'd like to hear more from those that have recovered. Were they very sick, were they not sick at all?

    And, I'd like to know more about the cases in Italy, are people's symptoms getting worse - i.e. is the illness mutating. The death rate in Italy is 39% of closed cases, worldwide that is 6% but that is factoring in the Chinese lies, Iranian lies. South Korea is 19%. UK is 25% at the moment. But, is that because we don't consider a person recovered until they test negative etc, or is it because there is something else going on?

    Once I get all these sorts of facts, I can make a decision about whether or not this is something I need to lose sleep over.

    I also think some countries should be left off these stats because their accuracy is in question.
    Of course number of recoveries are important but no one's suggesting we're all going to die from Coronavirus. In comparison with a lot of other diseases it (hopefully) will have a lower mortality rate BUT socially and financially it could be devastating, and already is to several countries. Italy's completely quarantined, what effect do you think that will have on its economy? Or China's?

    I work in TV and Film, I'm Freelance. We started prep on a new show on Monday, we shoot in a few weeks until mid June. If one of our crew gets it, or an extra is revealed to have had it we'll likely have to isolate loads of people, worst case scenario shooting stops, it gets postponed until god knows when, millions of pounds lost, loads of people out of work.

    That is a worst case scenario but we'll be dealing with hundreds of people in a load of different locations for this, if it continues to spread then there's a reasonable chance that someone will know someone who has it. And that's true of every workplace in the UK/the world. THAT'S why it's getting reported in a way that's out of sync with the fatality rate

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    Re: Coronavirus update

    Quote Originally Posted by delmbox View Post
    Of course number of recoveries are important but no one's suggesting we're all going to die from Coronavirus. In comparison with a lot of other diseases it (hopefully) will have a lower mortality rate BUT socially and financially it could be devastating, and already is to several countries. Italy's completely quarantined, what effect do you think that will have on its economy? Or China's?

    I work in TV and Film, I'm Freelance. We started prep on a new show on Monday, we shoot in a few weeks until mid June. If one of our crew gets it, or an extra is revealed to have had it we'll likely have to isolate loads of people, worst case scenario shooting stops, it gets postponed until god knows when, millions of pounds lost, loads of people out of work.

    That is a worst case scenario but we'll be dealing with hundreds of people in a load of different locations for this, if it continues to spread then there's a reasonable chance that someone will know someone who has it. And that's true of every workplace in the UK/the world. THAT'S why it's getting reported in a way that's out of sync with the fatality rate
    Yeah yeah yeah, but if they don't die it doesn't matter.

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    Re: Coronavirus update

    Quote Originally Posted by lardy View Post
    Yeah yeah yeah, but if they don't die it doesn't matter.

    Why do you say that? Oh, yeah, you're trying to be smart by being flippant.

    Of course recoveries are important. Recovery rate, and length of time to recover will be a huge factor in determining how many people will be too sick to work at one time. But you just concentrate on the headlines mate.

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