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    Re: Angela Rayner

    There are many reasons why Labour and the left should support leaving the EU but fundementally Labour should support it because that's what the country voted for and we are a democracy. Just like the Tories came to accept devolution because that's what people voted for.

    It's mad it's 2022 and people still can't accept it.

  2. #2

    Re: Angela Rayner

    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    There are many reasons why Labour and the left should support leaving the EU but fundementally Labour should support it because that's what the country voted for and we are a democracy. Just like the Tories came to accept devolution because that's what people voted for.

    It's mad it's 2022 and people still can't accept it.
    I voted Remain back in 2016 almost on a toss of a coin (the main reason being I couldn’t bring myself to vote for the same side as Nigel Farage) because I was one of not very many it seems who had no strong feelings either way. However, since then I’ve come around far more to the Remain camp and would be strongly behind them if there was another Referendum today. The thing is though, there isn’t going to be one any time soon is there and I don’t think there should be - my attitude from the day the result was announced has been it’s not what I wanted, but we need to get on with it and make the best we can of Brexit.

    What I would say though is that the likes of Farage and right wingers in the Conservative party were pushing for another ballot on membership of the EU for decades and eventually got their wish some forty odd years after we joined, so, unless the EU breaks up in the years to come, there are going to be a lot of Remainers who will be pushing for another vote on the grounds that if the Leave side managed to get one, why shouldn’t we? It’ll take some time (I’ll probably be long gone when it happens), but I think there will be another vote eventually and so there should be given the precedent set by David Cameron when he was PM.

  3. #3

    Re: Angela Rayner

    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    There are many reasons why Labour and the left should support leaving the EU but fundementally Labour should support it because that's what the country voted for and we are a democracy. Just like the Tories came to accept devolution because that's what people voted for.

    It's mad it's 2022 and people still can't accept it.
    It shouldn't make any difference to you if I or anyone else won't accept it. It's disingenuous to describe it as mad. Neither of us is going to budge on this. I accept that. I'll never accept the argument that we're a democracy either. We play at it. I'll never accept a campaign of lies. The list goes on. If I accept these then I'm a traitor to my beliefs. TOBW mentioned something that is often said that 'we should get on with it'. This would be great if I could get on with things as easy as they were and with less expense. I can't and nobody seems to be able to help with that.

  4. #4

    Re: Angela Rayner

    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    There are many reasons why Labour and the left should support leaving the EU but fundementally Labour should support it because that's what the country voted for and we are a democracy. Just like the Tories came to accept devolution because that's what people voted for.

    It's mad it's 2022 and people still can't accept it.
    Some Tories didn't accept the Welsh devolution result and tried to vote it down.

  5. #5

    Re: Angela Rayner

    Quote Originally Posted by Bluebirdman Of Alcathays View Post
    Some Tories didn't accept the Welsh devolution result and tried to vote it down.
    25% of adult Welsh electorate voted for devolution. Think turnout was little more than 50%. Anyway, I doubt devolution is supported by 50% even now..

  6. #6

    Re: Angela Rayner

    Quote Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish View Post
    25% of adult Welsh electorate voted for devolution. Think turnout was little more than 50%. Anyway, I doubt devolution is supported by 50% even now..
    Good point and clearly evidenced by the way 'Abolish the Welsh Assembly' romped into power in the last Senedd elections.

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    Re: Angela Rayner

    Quote Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish View Post
    25% of adult Welsh electorate voted for devolution. Think turnout was little more than 50%. Anyway, I doubt devolution is supported by 50% even now..
    Wouldn't it be astonishing if less than 50% of the population did not believe they should run their own country?

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