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Im not a new poster, in fact an old poster, but not been on here for a long while. I used to post under Anne Widdecombes Mirror. We all have views and opinions, especially now.
Lets get straight to the point. We all know Tan has made serious mistakes, we also dont need reminding that the experience of following our football club is at its lowest ebb. Bottom line? Tan needs to go. Tan has to go. Tan should not be allowed to run a football club. Action is needed. No action does nothing, and either confirms our apathy towards the club or our acceptance of Tans tyranny.
The easiest thing you can do is sign the petition to show that there is an opposition. FAB or Trust dont show it, and are lapdogs. Signing the petition is so easy, takes a few clicks and is FREE FREE FREE. If you dont sign, its your choice, but you have to decide, if you dont sign, whether you fall under the apathetic or the accepting group.
Heres the link. HTTPS://chng.it/fY8ttxHMbY
Once you have signed, you must confirm your signature via an email you will receive otherwise your signature will not count or show. DO NOT DONATE. THIS IS A REQUEST BY THE WEBSITE ONLY AND CAN BE SKIPPED.
Like a petition would make the slightest difference
As I say, do nothing and nothing gets done, so it’s your right to be an acceptor. Can you understand if everyone has this attitude nothing will change. If everyone had a different attitude then things will change.
But if the issue is that he's a tyrant who listens to nobody then it'll make no difference whatsoever. If he listens then he isn't the tyrant you say he is the guy can't win........ Which coincidentally he's proven
I remember my father being on the board and the club didn't have a pot to piss in, be careful what you wish for
Unfortunately you are absolutely correct. If anyone wants to sign the petition then by all means go ahead, but don't expect it to make any differenceOriginally Posted by fugsyphil
So we do nothing and nothing changes. I don’t sit in that camp.
A normal response, but I would refer to my previous response. Do nothing and nothing changes.
I was going to sign it until I read the blurb accompanying it and I wont be doing so now. Going to the EFL because Tan is not a fit and proper person seems to be the wrong way to go about things. Im not familiar with the exact requirements of the fit and proper person test, but I cant really see how Vincent Tan would fail it - employees are getting paid on time, we are in no danger of going into Administration or Receivership, Tan charges no interest on his loans to the club and has written off a significant amount of the money the club owes him.
That said, I dont agree with the notion of not signing the petition because it wont change anything. It probably wont,but if the right petition was signed by enough supporters, it would show Tan that significant numbers of fans were pissed off with the way he has neglected the club and with the manner it has been run for the last fifteen years or so - sadly, i dont think this is the right petition, or, at least, there should be a convincing explanation as to how he is breaking the fit and proper person rules.
First well done for posting.
I agree 100% with Bob.
Bills are being paid. We are not on the brink and players in tears being sold like under recent ownership.
He's just really crap at running the club in a way that will make us successful and it looks like no change.
We badly need new ownership but there seems to be no serious interested parties.
Just don't think this is the right petition.
We could really do with one united fans group rather than all these small different groups who are having little affect. Have u thought about getting elected to the Trust?
I certainly don't wish for Tan. Do you?
Well I'm prepared to spend literally a minute of my time. I don't see that as wasted time. What harm will it do to sign?
Appreciate the measured response. I'm not saying it is up to us to say either he is or he isn't. The point is asking for a review, but more Importantly letting Tan know and making him aware we are not happy.
In terms of football, owning a club is more than just keeping it in business. Be is an astute business man no doubt. His understanding of football operations is zero.
I saw this in twitter the other day. seems like a non starter to me
The Trust and the FAB are under total.control of Tan. You've suggested alternatives rather than criticise, however Tan has totally divided the support against each other......
It is a non starter if supporters are either apathetic or accepting of the current situation. A few clicks it takes and it doesn't even interrupt your day. What's the harm. Either do something or accept whare we are, who we ha e and live with the consistent failure.
I signed, but I feel it is fair to represent the arguments for the people who don't want to sign, including my father, who I had a conversation with.
The club has a gross debt 137.7 million, of which 68 million is owed to Tan and 37 million owed to Dalman. You would need a buyer who can clear both the debt and would also purchase the squad, stadium and other assets, of which prices are debatable. Does such a buyer exist? Probably, but there's an air of uncertainty about it, and a lot of fans simply do not want to risk going the way of Bury and Macclesfield in order to find out. The longer Tan stays in power and the incompetence takes its toll, the more debt is accrued and the less attractive it comes to investors, this is why Birmingham were extremely fortunate to be purchased before being relegated to League One.
I think most everyone agrees that Tan is incompetent and is not fit to run the club, the issue is, a lot of people do not want to rip the plaster off and hope we can at least get back to Championship football before a sale can be agreed where finances are more steady and guaranteed. But I fear we won't under this club's culture, and we'll become a League One stalwart like Bolton. The competition will be fierce for the auto promotions next season between Reading's new ownership, Plymouth being a relatively stable operation, Luton's issues being more player attitudes that can lead to transfers out, solid teams like Stockport, Wycombe, Huddersfield, Bolton and whoever loses the playoff final today. I personally think now is the time to rip off the plaster and look for buyers, because I think they absolutely exist (maybe fans with experience in business pitches could reach out to potential investors, I'd be more than happy to help writing a good case on why Cardiff City FC is a good investment opportunity), but I understand the perspective of those who are trying to urge more caution and be careful what we wish for. I just think the disease is fatal without treatment, and we will slip deeper and deeper into despair to the point of falling below Newport if it gets bad enough.
I don't think the people behind this petition understand what a fit and proper person is in terms of football club ownership, it doesn't mean someone the fans don't like or someone who got a team relegated.
Also using the fact that no pre season friendlies have been announced is bizarre, a 2 second google search will show that they didn't get announced until June 21st last year when we had a manager in place, The season only finished a couple of weeks ago, I don't think it's the end of the world that we don't know who we're playing in friendlies yet. I'm more annoyed by the fact that the retained list hasn't been announced to be honest, that is irritating because all the other Championship clubs have announced theirs.
And what exactly are "transparent transfer discussions?" No club in the world makes it public who they're planning on buying, it's a sure fire way to bump the price up. What are we expecting here? A transfer committee made up of 10000 season ticket holders? Jesus can you imagine
Tan is useless and I'd be very happy to have a better owner if there was a realistic one available but I'm sorry, a petition signed by 500 people asking the league to review his (undeniable) fit and proper status with reasons like that listed is going to do absolutely nothing
An honest response backed up by thought. You've signed. Thank you. It wasn't difficult, may not make a difference admittedly but it's not hurt you or anyone. You can say you've done something having given it thought.
Strange and disappointing response. Poking fun and having a laugh does nothing to bring supporters together. I'll put you under the apathy and the accepting groups.I don't think the people behind this petition understand what a fit and proper person is in terms of football club ownership, it doesn't mean someone the fans don't like or someone who got a team relegated.
Also using the fact that no pre season friendlies have been announced is bizarre, a 2 second google search will show that they didn't get announced until June 21st last year when we had a manager in place, The season only finished a couple of weeks ago, I don't think it's the end of the world that we don't know who we're playing in friendlies yet. I'm more annoyed by the fact that the retained list hasn't been announced to be honest, that is irritating because all the other Championship clubs have announced theirs.
And what exactly are "transparent transfer discussions?" No club in the world makes it public who they're planning on buying, it's a sure fire way to bump the price up. What are we expecting here? A transfer committee made up of 10000 season ticket holders? Jesus can you imagine
Tan is useless and I'd be very happy to have a better owner if there was a realistic one available but I'm sorry, a petition signed by 500 people asking the league to review his (undeniable) fit and proper status with reasons like that listed is going to do absolutely nothing
I promise not to tell Vincent if you sign.
'FAB or Trust don’t show it, and are lapdogs.'
'The Trust and the FAB are under total.control of Tan.'
If you choose to believe that, fair enough.
But making that part of your argument for signing a petition (that is already confused and badly thought out) is not going to maximise the number of signatures.
I agree with your description of the state of the club and that fans should make their feelings of anger and frustration known in large numbers, but it isn't always the case that 'something' is better than 'nothing'. Sometimes that something makes the situation worse.
I would sign a petition I agreed with.
I stopped buying a season ticket years ago. I have stopped spending anything in the club shop. I am a member of the Trust. The last one is - in my opinion - the most important in getting a collective fans voice heard by the club.
I dont see the point, Im sure he would pass the fit and proper test every time with flying colours.
We may not like the way he runs the club and disagree with his management appointments but nothing to suggest its not fit and proper in terms of ownership. He backs the club financially.
Also if he did fail the test what happens to us financially? Administration while we find a new owner?
Like signing a petition would make the slightest difference to your day.
Neither the Trust nor the FAB are under any kind of control of Vincent Tan. Both organisations (plus the Disabled Supporter Association) are comprised of long standing fans who were elected by the fans themselves and remain totally independent of the club and its owner and directors.
The current FAB comprises two members elected by the Supporters Club committee (who are themselves elected by its members) , two members elected by the Trust board (who are again elected by its members) and one elected by the DSA (once again elected by its members).
The other five FAB members were elected in an open ballot of the club`s season ticket holders. Any fan could have put himself/herself forward as a candidate for these roles ahead of the voting.
The club had no say in who could be elected to the roles, and has no say in or control over the FAB, the Trust or DSA says or does.
I'm not disagreeing with what you say. However the argument always used in contrast to that is a jibe about free electricity at the stadium and stuff like that- and that being at risk if speaking out.
Fair enough if you don't want to get drawn into that level of debate but that's the most common thing I've heard to justify the claim in Tans pocket etc....
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