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I've no time for Johnson, but I recognise the symbolism behind any Prime Minister at times like this and so, although I can see the point of those saying he is just the same as Anne of Ponty etc, the truth is that he, or more particularly his job, isn't. Anyway, I wish anyone suffering from the virus a complete recovery and that extends to someone like Boris Johnson who I feel is lacking in so many ways as a Prime Minister.
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chris lee
It really is not, it is common sense. It is like saying if Harry Kane is injured, it is no more important than if Vorm got injured.. maybe not morally but when it comes down to the resulting impact it is a significant difference.
What a completely nonsensical comparison.
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Elwood Blues
Do you regard the medical experts such as the Chief Medical Officer and Chief Scientific officer as his "cronies" because according to reports they are the ones whose advice he apparently took
( the inevitable public enquiry should hopefully tell us the full story)
Unfortunately in this instance yes, I do consider them his cronies. The plan they formulated was a very high risk one that nowhere else in the world was trying and most people working in public health and epidemiology were aghast at. The government had plenty of time to get ahead of the curve but they didn't, they should have been proactive and not reactive, the way they have dealt with this pandemic has been appalling. I truly hope there is a fully independent public enquiry into their handling of the situation.
For full clarity though, I don't have access to the data that his advisors have, and I haven't seen the Imperial model that they have been using. I am an epidemiologist, I have worked in public health and academia including Public Health Wales, Cardiff University, and Swansea University since 1999.
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rs3100
Unfortunately in this instance yes, I do consider them his cronies. The plan they formulated was a very high risk one that nowhere else in the world was trying and most people working in public health and epidemiology were aghast at. The government had plenty of time to get ahead of the curve but they didn't, they should have been proactive and not reactive, the way they have dealt with this pandemic has been appalling. I truly hope there is a fully independent public enquiry into their handling of the situation.
For full clarity though, I don't have access to the data that his advisors have, and I haven't seen the Imperial model that they have been using. I am an epidemiologist, I have worked in public health and academia including Public Health Wales, Cardiff University, and Swansea University since 1999.
I think I will go with what hes saying
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rs3100
Unfortunately in this instance yes, I do consider them his cronies. The plan they formulated was a very high risk one that nowhere else in the world was trying and most people working in public health and epidemiology were aghast at. The government had plenty of time to get ahead of the curve but they didn't, they should have been proactive and not reactive, the way they have dealt with this pandemic has been appalling. I truly hope there is a fully independent public enquiry into their handling of the situation.
For full clarity though, I don't have access to the data that his advisors have, and I haven't seen the Imperial model that they have been using. I am an epidemiologist, I have worked in public health and academia including Public Health Wales, Cardiff University, and Swansea University since 1999.
Sweden? Netherlands?
I fully respect your knowledge in the subject.
But if most people in public health and epidemiology were aghast why wasn't there a massive outcry at the start? Yes of course people like John Ashton spoke out fairly early on (seems to have gone quiet recently) but it seemed to me that there were experts on both sides of the arguement in pretty equal numbers.
And what about Public Health England and Wales (and their Scottish equivalent). I presume they would have had an input? Wouldn't they also bear at least some of the responsibility for the problems with testing, PPE and ventilators?
By calling them his cronies aren't you questioning the integrity of people like Chris Witty, Patrick Vallance and Neil Ferguson?
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Elwood Blues
Sweden? Netherlands?
I fully respect your knowledge in the subject.
But if most people in public health and epidemiology were aghast why wasn't there a massive outcry at the start? Yes of course people like John Ashton spoke out fairly early on (seems to have gone quiet recently) but it seemed to me that there were experts on both sides of the arguement in pretty equal numbers.
And what about Public Health England and Wales (and their Scottish equivalent). I presume they would have had an input? Wouldn't they also bear at least some of the responsibility for the problems with testing, PPE and ventilators?
By calling them his cronies aren't you questioning the integrity of people like Chris Witty, Patrick Vallance and Neil Ferguson?
I have last months private eye that was released just after the herd immunity stuff was floated and there are plenty of examples of the outcry there. I thought it was ridiculous when I saw it, didn't you?
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the other bob wilson
I've no time for Johnson, but I recognise the symbolism behind any Prime Minister at times like this and so, although I can see the point of those saying he is just the same as Anne of Ponty etc, the truth is that he, or more particularly his job, isn't. Anyway, I wish anyone suffering from the virus a complete recovery and that extends to someone like Boris Johnson who I feel is lacking in so many ways as a Prime Minister.
I wish I'd never mentioned her.
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Croesy Blue
I have last months private eye that was released just after the herd immunity stuff was floated and there are plenty of examples of the outcry there. I thought it was ridiculous when I saw it, didn't you?
I didn't see last months Private Eye.
Though what was ridiculous?
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Elwood Blues
Sweden? Netherlands?
I fully respect your knowledge in the subject.
But if most people in public health and epidemiology were aghast why wasn't there a massive outcry at the start? Yes of course people like John Ashton spoke out fairly early on (seems to have gone quiet recently) but it seemed to me that there were experts on both sides of the arguement in pretty equal numbers.
And what about Public Health England and Wales (and their Scottish equivalent). I presume they would have had an input? Wouldn't they also bear at least some of the responsibility for the problems with testing, PPE and ventilators?
By calling them his cronies aren't you questioning the integrity of people like Chris Witty, Patrick Vallance and Neil Ferguson?
Ok cronies might be going a bit far, but there appears to be a lot of politics in the direction that the response took, rather than the science, and that does include Chris Whitty and Patrick Vallance.
I know plenty of people within PHE and PHW I don’t think they’re particularly happy with the government’s actions.
PPE and vents are down to the government/NHS not PHE or PHW so they shouldn’t take the blame there. Testing is slightly different, but the problems are still laid at the government’s door, again a lot of this seems political rather than what’s necessary.
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Elwood Blues
I didn't see last months Private Eye.
Though what was ridiculous?
The herd immunity technique. It was known to be dangerous bollocks way before it was decided by the government that it was their strategy.
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Good to see the Prime Minister is seemingly not in as bad a shape as reported in some places - I do think the spokesman's comment about him still receiving a box is a tad unfortunate though on a couple of fronts;-
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...pital-11969302
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the other bob wilson
Good to see the Prime Minister is seemingly not in as bad a shape as reported in some places - I do think the spokesman's comment about him still receiving a box is a tad unfortunate though on a couple of fronts;-
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...pital-11969302
I must admit I am struggling a bit with the narrative around the Johnson illness. Concurrently we are being told that his symptoms are sufficient to require a stay in an NHS hospital in London whilst being so mild that he can work from his bed on papers and still manage the levers of government.
Understand the Keep Calm and Carry On aims but either he is sufficiently ill to take up a bed then he deserves it given his status and condition or it is precautionary such that he, probably alone of those people admitted to hospital with the virus can somehow carry on working from bed.
If it is the latter then him occupying a bed in the week that NHS Nightingale was launched as an emergency centre looks a bit askew.
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Elwood Blues
Do you regard the medical experts such as the Chief Medical Officer and Chief Scientific officer as his "cronies" because according to reports they are the ones whose advice he apparently took
( the inevitable public enquiry should hopefully tell us the full story)
I think the public health experts in the UK have shown themselves to be a clueless bunch of c@nts. Vallance and witty may be professors, but in terms of their response to covid 19 they've been as thick as pigshit. As for that Scottish one, the less said the better
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chrisp_1927
I think the public health experts in the UK have shown themselves to be a clueless bunch of c@nts. Vallance and witty may be professors, but in terms of their response to covid 19 they've been as thick as pigshit. As for that Scottish one, the less said the better
You know what changed it though? When there was finally some openness about "herd immunity" and other scientists/the press were able to challenge. If the UK government had taken action to be more open earlier then we'd be in a better position.
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Johnson moved to intensive care as his condition has worsened.
Breaking news
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Michael Morris
Johnson moved to intensive care as his condition has worsened.
Breaking news
Bloody hell
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Michael Morris
Johnson moved to intensive care as his condition has worsened.
Breaking news
If hes been unable to fight off the virus in 12 days himself, then it makes sense.
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Johnson moved to intensive care as his condition has worsened.
Breaking news
I hope thats cheered NYCBlue up a bit!
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Things I hope will happen: Boris Johnson, and everyone else in his position, make a return to full health. I wouldn't wish this on anyone.
Things I don't want to happen: people having an extreme reaction (either becoming extremely pro-Boris or making stupid anti-Boris comments) to this news now or in the future.
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A friend of a friend is in the heath , hes 54 , his family have been told by the medical team that hes not going to make it
However irrespective of this dreadful virus this government has botched up big style and one day it will all come out
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People say they wouldnt wish this virus on anyone
What about multiple rapists or child murderers ?
The far right are always on about the death penalty and seeing people suffer
Seems like they have the perfect answer to their prayers .....as long as only nasty people catch it
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Russia claimed this earlier and were rubbished by Downing Street. Whitty said he didn’t know his exact condition also too. You wonder how much they’re trying to keep from us. Anyway, I hope he pulls through, and everyone in his condition.
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SLUDGE FACTORY
People say they wouldnt wish this virus on anyone
What about multiple rapists or child murderers ?
The far right are always on about the death penalty and seeing people suffer
Seems like they have the perfect answer to their prayers .....as long as only nasty people catch it
I for one would be bloody delighted to see this rampage through the inmates of Hmp Usk. Sadly though, life doesn't work like that.
Sorry to hear about your friend sludge, its sometimes easy to forget their are individuals behind those horrible stats put out everyday. The sooner we beat this c@nt of a virus the better
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chrisp_1927
I for one would be bloody delighted to see this rampage through the inmates of Hmp Usk. Sadly though, life doesn't work like that.
Sorry to hear about your friend sludge, its sometimes easy to forget their are individuals behind those horrible stats put out everyday. The sooner we beat this c@nt of a virus the better
It's a friend of a friend mate but the poor sod has got kids
Is usk an open prison ?
Aye , it's going to be a long time though and the effects on peoples health , day to day lives , family life , the economy is going to be brutal
Take care
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Sad as it is for Johnson and his family, he’s brought it upon himself, very foolish thing to do, ‘bravely’ shaking hands with victims in Kettering Hospital the other week (if reports are true, which they seem to be), then even more foolishly freely mixing with others before isolating. Did he think he was invincible? It’s like hearing about someone jumping in front of a bus, you have the utmost sympathy for them and their loved ones whilst thinking what an idiot.
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chrisp_1927
I for one would be bloody delighted to see this rampage through the inmates of Hmp Usk. Sadly though, life doesn't work like that.
Sorry to hear about your friend sludge, its sometimes easy to forget their are individuals behind those horrible stats put out everyday. The sooner we beat this c@nt of a virus the better
You wish death upon others. What makes you so worthy? I'd say you'd be a good contender for nature's cull. Or is THAT a little too close to the bone, with you being a good, honest person who deserve's sparing.....even though he wishes death upon people.
Seriously, there are about 6 billion too many of us. Being wiped out won't be much fun, but we've had it come for a while now.
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Its a life were talking about
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cyril evans awaydays
I must admit I am struggling a bit with the narrative around the Johnson illness. Concurrently we are being told that his symptoms are sufficient to require a stay in an NHS hospital in London whilst being so mild that he can work from his bed on papers and still manage the levers of government.
Understand the Keep Calm and Carry On aims but either he is sufficiently ill to take up a bed then he deserves it given his status and condition or it is precautionary such that he, probably alone of those people admitted to hospital with the virus can somehow carry on working from bed.
If it is the latter then him occupying a bed in the week that NHS Nightingale was launched as an emergency centre looks a bit askew.
bookmarked
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Divine Wright
You wish death upon others. What makes you so worthy? I'd say you'd be a good contender for nature's cull. Or is THAT a little too close to the bone, with you being a good, honest person who deserve's sparing.....even though he wishes death upon people.
Seriously, there are about 6 billion too many of us. Being wiped out won't be much fun, but we've had it come for a while now.
Harsh but true;
Earth will be here long after we've gone.