Coronavirus update - NO MORE RESTRICTIONS

[Taunton Blue Genie]

Anti-vaxxers are some of the stupidest people on the planet. Only flat earthers come closer.

The irritating thing is that they get the benefits from mass vaccinations and then use that to "prove" that because they haven't had the disease then vaccinations weren't necessary at all.

This, amusingly but tragically, falls over in the Bible belt in America because there is a significant proportion of people who are "anti-vaxxers" and that has led to resurgence in viruses like measles which would be practically eradicated if not for these ideological prats.

I have an American friend in the States who is otherwise a very intelligent and worldy lady - but who has just posted on Facebook a request that her friends pray for her cousin in Michigan as he hit a deer while driving and he is now on life support.
How is that meant to work? Is the god that allowed it to happen in the first place more responsive to undoing things if there are sufficient prayers generated by Facebook users?

It reminded me of when there was an earthquake in Italy which caused many people to perish but a survivor thanked 'God' for saving her.

Great logic.

[CCFCC3PO]

I have an American friend in the States who is otherwise a very intelligent and worldy lady - but who has just posted on Facebook a request that her friends pray for her cousin in Michigan as he hit a deer while driving and he is now on life support.
How is that meant to work? Is the god that allowed it to happen in the first place more responsive to undoing things if there are sufficient prayers generated by Facebook users?

It reminded me of when there was an earthquake in Italy which caused many people to perish but a survivor thanked 'God' for saving her.

Great logic.

Yes, I never could work it out. I talked to some of the people handing out some religious pamphlets in Cardiff a while back. Their belief was that the planet was 6,000 years old. They also said that diseases like cancer were created by God to punish people who committed sin. They couldn't explain why some children are born with fatal diseases, one of the old chaps did "those children were born in sin". When I asked him further "Their parents didn't believe in God". "Neither did my parents, but I am still alive and talking to you 40 years on".

Strong beliefs that crumble at the first sight of any logical thought.

[lardy]

Yes, I never could work it out. I talked to some of the people handing out some religious pamphlets in Cardiff a while back. Their belief was that the planet was 6,000 years old. They also said that diseases like cancer were created by God to punish people who committed sin. They couldn't explain why some children are born with fatal diseases, one of the old chaps did "those children were born in sin". When I asked him further "Their parents didn't believe in God". "Neither did my parents, but I am still alive and talking to you 40 years on".

Strong beliefs that crumble at the first sight of any logical thought.

I've seen people saying that God / Allah spared or saved them after the Beirut explosion. And the obvious question is why weren't the ones who perished spared? Were they all worse people?

[lardy]

Anti-vaxxers are some of the stupidest people on the planet. Only flat earthers come closer.

The irritating thing is that they get the benefits from mass vaccinations and then use that to "prove" that because they haven't had the disease then vaccinations weren't necessary at all.

This, amusingly but tragically, falls over in the Bible belt in America because there is a significant proportion of people who are "anti-vaxxers" and that has led to resurgence in viruses like measles which would be practically eradicated if not for these ideological prats.

You'd have thought that if anything could make anti-vaxxers see sense, it would be what happens to the whole world when an infectious and fairly deadly new virus appears. If not for vaccines, we would constantly be going through this with measles, flu, etc.

In the face of the very obvious need for a vaccine, they've had to turn to something else for their conspiracy, which is that Bill Gates is using it to try and take over the world. It's been touted on here by a few posters.

[Jordi Culé]

Anti-vaxxers are some of the stupidest people on the planet. Only flat earthers come closer.

The irritating thing is that they get the benefits from mass vaccinations and then use that to "prove" that because they haven't had the disease then vaccinations weren't necessary at all.

This, amusingly but tragically, falls over in the Bible belt in America because there is a significant proportion of people who are "anti-vaxxers" and that has led to resurgence in viruses like measles which would be practically eradicated if not for these ideological prats.

I get what you’re saying about people religious beliefs contributing to the ‘anti vaccine’ decisions made by some particularly in USA.

I’m going to be more robust in my opinion on the people discussed in the article and who live in the UK that if they’re taking medical and scientific advice from a WhatsApp group member they’re basically stupid as ****.

On the other hand, perhaps it’s evoloution’s way of cleansing the gene pool?

I’m in a conundrum over this now

p.s. they’re stupid as ****.

[Taunton Blue Genie]

I was also watching a medical programme on the TV last night in which a patient survived a life threatening condition thanks to the surgeon to whom he said when he came around 'I thank God'.

[life on mars]

That's very nicely written. You could be a journalist.

Yes an extract , I must be the first to do that ?? and that includes you and the other responders below, apologies for its positive aspect I know stuff like that are not what one wants in some circles , in my book any hopefully article around this awful diesases is worth postin as this matter is about death and misery , not some left or right political moan fest .

[Taunton Blue Genie]

Yes an extract , I must be the first to do that ?? and that includes you and the other responders below, apologies for its positive aspect I know stuff like that are not what one wants in some circles , in my book any hopefully article around this awful diesases is worth postin as this matter is about death and misery , not some left or right political moan fest .

Why don't you quote where you copy and paste from, as is normal etiquette, and so that readers can know whether you are posting original thoughts or if you are simply copy and pasting (and seemingly passing off other content as your own)?

We usually have a few clues to go on though, I know....

[lardy]

Yes an extract , I must be the first to do that ?? and that includes you and the other responders below, apologies for its positive aspect I know stuff like that are not what one wants in some circles , in my book any hopefully article around this awful diesases is worth postin as this matter is about death and misery , not some left or right political moan fest .

Why do you bring left and right into everything?

If you copy something, say where it's from.

Like this:

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/n...ikes-wzwfmhwm0

[the other bob wilson]

I can hardly claim to be an expert on the subject of God or religion, but, as I understand it, the notion of a "vengeful God" should go contrary to what that God is supposed to represent shouldn't it?

When it comes to anti vaxers/Bill Gates/conspiracy theories etc. I watched this yesterday and, not for the first time, came to the conclusion that the word is a seriously f*cked up place in 2020;-

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episod...spiracy-theory

[lardy]

I can hardly claim to be an expert on the subject of God or religion, but, as I understand it, the notion of a "vengeful God" should go contrary to what that God is supposed to represent shouldn't it?

When it comes to anti vaxers/Bill Gates/conspiracy theories etc. I watched this yesterday and, not for the first time, came to the conclusion that the word is a seriously f*cked up place in 2020;-

http://mauveandyellowarmy.net/

How not to quote your sources

[the other bob wilson]

How not to quote your sources

I noticed that link just in time

Don't known what happened there because I definitely copied the programme url, but then it seemed to have a mind of its own when it came to paste!

[xsnaggle]

With regard to this virus I have still not seen any reasoning behind the apparent fact that cases are rising but the deaths aren't, or at least not so much, except for the opinion that the virus may be mutating in order to not kill it's host, as clearly that is counter productive for it.
The problem with that is that if its true will the lack of high death numbers make the search for a vaccine less urgent in chemists minds.

[lardy]

With regard to this virus I have still not seen any reasoning behind the apparent fact that cases are rising but the deaths aren't, or at least not so much, except for the opinion that the virus may be mutating in order to not kill it's host, as clearly that is counter productive for it.
The problem with that is that if its true will the lack of high death numbers make the search for a vaccine less urgent in chemists minds.

One other reason is that more people are being tested.

And are daily cases rising? Looking at the figures, it seems fairly constant for the UK over the past few weeks.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/

Edit: this might show it better

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/cases

[xsnaggle]

One other reason is that more people are being tested.

Yes, I get that but even in spike areas like Leicester although there was a big jump in cases it doesn't seem to have been mirrored by deaths.
It's clearly not a bad thing but I wonder how (if it continues) it will affect the thinking of politicians and scientists.

[lardy]

Yes, I get that but even in spike areas like Leicester although there was a big jump in cases it doesn't seem to have been mirrored by deaths.
It's clearly not a bad thing but I wonder how (if it continues) it will affect the thinking of politicians and scientists.

But that's the point. Those people had the virus regardless, and the same number of people would have died regardless. Better testing means that more people will be found to have the virus, so cases will go up.

Testing finds the people who have milder forms of covid.

[jon1959]

With regard to this virus I have still not seen any reasoning behind the apparent fact that cases are rising but the deaths aren't, or at least not so much, except for the opinion that the virus may be mutating in order to not kill it's host, as clearly that is counter productive for it.
The problem with that is that if its true will the lack of high death numbers make the search for a vaccine less urgent in chemists minds.

There were a lot of stories about a month ago about people who had recovered from Covid 19 (maybe some who had the virus but showed few or no symptoms) who had significant long term damage to organs - heart and lungs if I remember rightly. Those stories seem to have dried up - maybe the numbers involved were not that big, I don't know - but I don't think we should only be looking at numbers of deaths to assess the impact.

[xsnaggle]

There were a lot of stories about a month ago about people who had recovered from Covid 19 (maybe some who had the virus but showed few or no symptoms) who had significant long term damage to organs - heart and lungs if I remember rightly. Those stories seem to have dried up - maybe the numbers involved were not that big, I don't know - but I don't think we should only be looking at numbers of deaths to assess the impact.

I agree with you but it is a large increase in deaths with will really grab the headlines. Nothing as good as bad news!!
As I mentioned, my concern is that if it stops killing people it may have the effect of scientists becoming less urgently looking for a vaccine, and that would be very bad.

On another note China reported that they have had a case of a person dying from Bubonic plague. There's a thought!!

[Taunton Blue Genie]

There were a lot of stories about a month ago about people who had recovered from Covid 19 (maybe some who had the virus but showed few or no symptoms) who had significant long term damage to organs - heart and lungs if I remember rightly. Those stories seem to have dried up - maybe the numbers involved were not that big, I don't know - but I don't think we should only be looking at numbers of deaths to assess the impact.

There was a feature on Radio 4 this morning about people who still have problems months after having Covid - and the two people I know who have had it, also months ago, are still not back to full health.

[the other bob wilson]

With regard to this virus I have still not seen any reasoning behind the apparent fact that cases are rising but the deaths aren't, or at least not so much, except for the opinion that the virus may be mutating in order to not kill it's host, as clearly that is counter productive for it.
The problem with that is that if its true will the lack of high death numbers make the search for a vaccine less urgent in chemists minds.

The peak for new cases in the USA has definitely occurred in the last month as can be seen here;-

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

but that page also shows you are right because although deaths have risen in the last few weeks, the peak for them definitely occurred during the "first wave" which was based around New York back in March/April and I'd say that the figures would be showing a sign by of climbing to April levels by now if they were going to do so.

While it takes a level of expertise beyond us on here to make a convincing case that this apparent dilution of the virus' ability to kill humans is down to it mutating into something less lethal (I'm unaware of any study saying this is the case anyway), I'd say that, certainly, in westernised countries that are experiencing a resurgence of cases, there is quite a bit of evidence out there that the more likely Covid sufferer this time around is younger than your typical victim in the late winter/spring, so that should equate to less deaths.

I'd also say that there are a few treatments proven to be effective against fighting the virus out there now which were not recognised as such a few months ago, so I'd say there are two reasons which are backed by research which confirms the suppositions behind them, so I'd say they are more likely causes for the lower number of deaths than a mutation to something less powerful in the virus.

[xsnaggle]

The peak for new cases in the USA has definitely occurred in the last month as can be seen here;-

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

but that page also shows you are right because although deaths have risen in the last few weeks, the peak for them definitely occurred during the "first wave" which was based around New York back in March/April and I'd say that the figures would be showing a sign by of climbing to April levels by now if they were going to do so.

While it takes a level of expertise beyond us on here to make a convincing case that this apparent dilution of the virus' ability to kill humans is down to it mutating into something less lethal (I'm unaware of any study saying this is the case anyway), I'd say that, certainly, in westernised countries that are experiencing a resurgence of cases, there is quite a bit of evidence out there that the more likely Covid sufferer this time around is younger than your typical victim in the late winter/spring, so that should equate to less deaths.

I'd also say that there are a few treatments proven to be effective against fighting the virus out there now which were not recognised as such a few months ago, so I'd say there are two reasons which are backed by research which confirms the suppositions behind them, so I'd say they are more likely causes for the lower number of deaths than a mutation to something less powerful in the virus.

I can't find a reference now but I did read it somewhere, probably the BBC on line news. Apparently there is evidence of this happening with viruses previously. What ever the reason it cannot be a bad thing.

[goats]

The peak for new cases in the USA has definitely occurred in the last month as can be seen here;-

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

but that page also shows you are right because although deaths have risen in the last few weeks, the peak for them definitely occurred during the "first wave" which was based around New York back in March/April and I'd say that the figures would be showing a sign by of climbing to April levels by now if they were going to do so.

While it takes a level of expertise beyond us on here to make a convincing case that this apparent dilution of the virus' ability to kill humans is down to it mutating into something less lethal (I'm unaware of any study saying this is the case anyway), I'd say that, certainly, in westernised countries that are experiencing a resurgence of cases, there is quite a bit of evidence out there that the more likely Covid sufferer this time around is younger than your typical victim in the late winter/spring, so that should equate to less deaths.

I'd also say that there are a few treatments proven to be effective against fighting the virus out there now which were not recognised as such a few months ago, so I'd say there are two reasons which are backed by research which confirms the suppositions behind them, so I'd say they are more likely causes for the lower number of deaths than a mutation to something less powerful in the virus.

The steroid for one, saved my mates mothers life in April. She has COPD, always back and fore to hospital where she caught Covid after a visit. They thought she was a goner and basically said their goodbyes. She pulled through as she already had plenty of the steroid they were about to pump into her in her system. Small simple things, but I guess this is standard procedure for many now.

[life on mars]

Why don't you quote where you copy and paste from, as is normal etiquette, and so that readers can know whether you are posting original thoughts or if you are simply copy and pasting (and seemingly passing off other content as your own)?

We usually have a few clues to go on though, I know....

To be honest I thought I had ,as a title, apologies for the mistake , what I intended to do was write something like (positive news ) then ""
Humble apologies.

Either way it's positive news I guess , unless other agendas are at play with whatever or however I post ,as my grammatical skills have been picked apart as its not a skill set I own I therefore try post something that aligns to my thoughts or has a positive or counter balance reasoning .

Again humble apologies I didn't realise there was such high level scrutiny on a board that is supposed to be of a light nature and allow the odd mistake or blip ,I will promise to do better 🤭 😐🙄

[life on mars]

The peak for new cases in the USA has definitely occurred in the last month as can be seen here;-

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

but that page also shows you are right because although deaths have risen in the last few weeks, the peak for them definitely occurred during the "first wave" which was based around New York back in March/April and I'd say that the figures would be showing a sign by of climbing to April levels by now if they were going to do so.

While it takes a level of expertise beyond us on here to make a convincing case that this apparent dilution of the virus' ability to kill humans is down to it mutating into something less lethal (I'm unaware of any study saying this is the case anyway), I'd say that, certainly, in westernised countries that are experiencing a resurgence of cases, there is quite a bit of evidence out there that the more likely Covid sufferer this time around is younger than your typical victim in the late winter/spring, so that should equate to less deaths.

I'd also say that there are a few treatments proven to be effective against fighting the virus out there now which were not recognised as such a few months ago, so I'd say there are two reasons which are backed by research which confirms the suppositions behind them, so I'd say they are more likely causes for the lower number of deaths than a mutation to something less powerful in the virus.

I wonder if the virus could weaken, as we know they mutate ?

Didn't SARS burn out ?

[the other bob wilson]

I wonder if the virus could weaken, as we know they mutate ?

Didn't SARS burn out ?

Yes, that has happened in the past and I've read on a few occasions experts saying that it is best for the virus' long term survival for it to become something that can find human hosts without killing as many of them. Hopefully, that will happen again this time, but, for now, while it is good news that not as many as might have been expected are dying in America, it seems to me that there are more credible reasons as to why this is the case than it being down to the virus mutating into something less harmful to us. Wouldn't such a mutation take longer than a few months?