Election result prediction

[RonnieBird]

Just so I have it straight, you know Johnson is a liar. You know he'll come unstuck if asked questions about his lies. So you want him to avoid scrutiny to maximise the chances that this untrustworthy man (whom you don't even trust to speak) gets to lead the country for five years.

And this because you don't want Corbyn (which I can understand) and do want Brexit (which this untrustworthy man has promised he will deliver, despite having failed less than a month ago).

"You get what you deserve" seems apt. It's just a shame that it drags everyone else down too.

Of course he's a ****ing liar Lardy !!!
He's a politician , and that's what they do - all of them .
I wouldn't trust any of them to run a chip shop but in this case some of his aims coincide with the best interests of the nation, ( in my opinion).
It's Hobson's choice between 3 arseholes representing three organised crime outfits, so all you can do is pick the one least likely to inflict too much suffering on the nation.

I wouldn't trust Jeremy Corbyn to sit the right way round on a toilet seat, and Jo Swindon should be working in Greggs the Bakers wearing plastic Christmas antlers and calling people "luv".

None of it's very impressive though, is it ?

[lardy]

Of course he's a ****ing liar Lardy !!!
He's a politician , and that's what they do - all of them .
I wouldn't trust any of them to run a chip shop but in this case some of his aims coincide with the best interests of the nation, ( in my opinion).
It's Hobson's choice between 3 arseholes representing three organised crime outfits, so all you can do is pick the one least likely to inflict too much suffering on the nation.

I wouldn't trust Jeremy Corbyn to sit the right way round on a toilet seat, and Jo Swindon should be working in Greggs the Bakers wearing plastic Christmas antlers and calling people "luv".

None of it's very impressive though, is it ?

This is exactly what I was expecting. The "they're all liars" excuse.

There's different categories of lies. You're a liar for saying you like your wife's new haircut when you don't. You're a liar for promising 50,000 new nurses when you know full well the plan is way below that. Are they the same level of lie?

Ronniebird is ok with it because his guy is leading the polls. Will he be ok with it in future when it's someone who will do severe damage to his way of life?

Of course he won't. Then he'll have a real problem with lying politicians.

As the Manics sang, if you tolerate this...

[Wales-Bales]

This is exactly what I was expecting. The "they're all liars" excuse.

There's different categories of lies. You're a liar for saying you like your wife's new haircut when you don't. You're a liar for promising 50,000 new nurses when you know full well the plan is way below that. Are they the same level of lie?

Ronniebird is ok with it because his guy is leading the polls. Will he be ok with it in future when it's someone who will do severe damage to his way of life?

Of course he won't. Then he'll have a real problem with lying politicians.

As the Manics sang, if you tolerate this...

We need the Tories to win, so that we can get rid of the Tories and Labour. While we are in the EU it doesn't matter who is in control, because Brussels will be pulling the strings.

[RonnieBird]

This is exactly what I was expecting. The "they're all liars" excuse.

There's different categories of lies. You're a liar for saying you like your wife's new haircut when you don't. You're a liar for promising 50,000 new nurses when you know full well the plan is way below that. Are they the same level of lie?

Ronniebird is ok with it because his guy is leading the polls. Will he be ok with it in future when it's someone who will do severe damage to his way of life?

Of course he won't. Then he'll have a real problem with lying politicians.

As the Manics sang, if you tolerate this...

You misunderstand me completely .

I'm far from okay with the fact that the only available choices for election are liars and crooks, but it is nonetheless a fact, and therefore in practical terms we can only reluctantly accept the least bad option.

I know nothing whatever about the "maniacs" except that I think it's a pop group. However , the partial lyric you quote expresses my opinion quite well. Point being that we have to put up with this bent political system because we tolerate it. I wouldn't tolerate it myself but unfortunately the general public do.
Occasionally in the affairs of man great changes take place as they did in 1776 and things improve for a certain amount of time, but for most of history it's been a case of greedy manipulative crooks furthering their own interests over a gullible or cowed population with lies or brute force.

As long as people believe some of the utter shit they're told by the current political elite there's no chance whatsoever of improving anything and therefore there's no alternative but to do the best you can to preserve you're own independence and liberty in the prevailing circumstances. As long as people jump into line like lemmings to vote for their allotted party on a tribal basis, those parties will continue to rule over them like mediaeval barons and nothing whatever will change.