Originally Posted by
JamesWales
I don’t think anyone is advocating the pinching or slapping of arses whatsoever, so not sure those examples are of great value, although as you say, they do demonstrate how times change, not that I ever recall those periods and I am in my early 40s.
I think you will find women have a diversity of opinions on this topic and certainly do in terms of what is considered ‘abuse’ and I think you need to be pretty careful in labelling going in to kiss someone as ‘sexual abuse’. The world is full of people trying to understand other peoples feelings, and many men and women (particularly younger ones) will try and kiss someone and if it isn’t wanted, the person pulls away. To label that person as a sexual abuser is I think very damaging and to even present this as an idea does contribute to a world in which there is growing social and sexual anxiety amongst young people. As I said, I don’t think it’s progress, I think it’s actually a very conservative approach to sexuality and human interaction.
In this case, no one doubts that he shouldn’t have done it or that an investigation shouldn’t occur if she requested one – which she has. I also acknowledge the power dynamic The question is whether this really is sexual abuse and what the consequence of it is and I’m not really sure that kissing on lips is by definition sexual, as again, blanket interpretations of this can’t always be provided.
I strongly suspect there is more going on here. Have you seen the video of the players on the bus? The BBC of course have not reported on that, instead populating their article (which you posted above) with the usual opinions that back up their stance, which they shouldn’t even really have, as they should be neutral.
Either way, trying to label me some kind of sexual abuser isn’t really on Jordi. Slap on the wrist for that (not a real one, don’t report me for assault!)