"From the river to the sea" chant

[Dorcus]

Re: "From the river to the sea" chant

Now I know you are a troll.

You know nothing: you are a pampered infant.

[JamesWales]

Re: "From the river to the sea" chant

You believe Netanyahu supports a real two state solution? Allowing a Palestinian state with full sovereignty? Netanyahu has had to cosy up to Otzma Yehudit who are a far right wing party should refuse to accept any discussion about two state solutions.

You accuse others of being naive?

Despite your whataboutery Jordi, this thread is about a chant widely considered to be racist at worst or calling for the end of a nation at best that is entirely unconnected to finding a peaceful solution.
It doesn't help the peace cause one bit.

Why can't you say it isn't on?

[JamesWales]

Re: "From the river to the sea" chant

What racist impressions of Jewish people did you see or hear about on these marches ?

Can you forward me someone doing racist impressions of Jewish people along the same lines as those done by the Gillingham idiot on Saturday?

When you have done that I will give you my opinion as to its offensiveness

You are complaining that these chants used by a small minority of pro Palestinian protestors ......and quite a few hi jackers and hangers on .....are not doing the peace process any good

I certainly don't think this faux outrage by you on here is contributing to be honest

The main cause of this shitshow is the hamas attack and the bombing going on which will cause far more long term damage and repercussions to both communities

You are sinking like a heavy stone here and I am going to bed

So racist chants are okay with you is essentially what you are saying, if it is a minority?

[JamesWales]

Re: "From the river to the sea" chant

You know nothing: you are a pampered infant.

Good one.

[Dorcus]

Re: "From the river to the sea" chant

It's hard to believe that people with your naivity exist, but I guess they do.

Is any chant okay in that respect then? What about people who wanted to express support for any other cause? Christians in Egypt for example? Does that mean it's cool to sing anti-muslim songs?

I'm not sure of your logic.

You're not sure of my logic because you've been brainwashed from birth and people like you who are lucky enough to live in luxury have no moral repulsion against slaughter of the innocents because it doesn't impinge upon your fortunate lives. People like you live in a cocoon. However, nasty little chants from the fuzzy wuzzies imposes fear into your cosy little existence. Don't worry, you can always shut the lights out and forget all about it.

[Dorcus]

Re: "From the river to the sea" chant

Good one.

I'm glad the truth is starting to ram home; perhaps we'll make an upstanding citizen of you yet. I have hope!

[JamesWales]

Re: "From the river to the sea" chant

You're not sure of my logic because you've been brainwashed from birth and people like you who are lucky enough to live in luxury have no moral repulsion against slaughter of the innocents because it doesn't impinge upon your fortunate lives. People like you live in a cocoon. However, nasty little chants from the fuzzy wuzzies imposes fear into your cosy little existence. Don't worry, you can always shut the lights out and forget all about it.

You no absolutely nothing about me, but I do note you dwell in gross stereotypes.

Probably why you fail to condemn people chanting antisemitic things at rallies in the UK that do nothing whatsoever to help achieve peace and damage the very cause you claim to support.

All you need to do is say..you know what..it's true..chanting anti Semitic tropes about wiping out a country probably isn't helpful. But you are so sectarian on this and every issue that you cannot do that. Last week you were defending the jihad chants. The week before you were saying left-wing authoritarianism is okay. Interesting character you are, but certainly not a fan of peace it seems.

[Dorcus]

Re: "From the river to the sea" chant

You no absolutely nothing about me, but I do note you dwell in gross stereotypes.

Probably why you fail to condemn people chanting antisemitic things at rallies in the UK that do nothing whatsoever to help achieve peace and damage the very cause you claim to support.

All you need to do is say..you know what..it's true..chanting anti Semitic tropes about wiping out a country probably isn't helpful. But you are so sectarian on this and every issue that you cannot do that. Last week you were defending the jihad chants. The week before you were saying left-wing authoritarianism is okay. Interesting character you are, but certainly not a fan of peace it seems.

James you are on another planet. Forget anti -semitic chanting, we have innocent children and babies being slaughtered by Israeli terrorists. Before you start that is no anti -semitic description, many Jewish people are horrified by this murderous onslaught.

If you are so dim and/or bigoted to be more concerned by repressed people voicing their anger at their evil overlords rather than the genocide of innocent people then I can't see how anyone could have an intelligent discourse with you. You're obviously a troubled individual and if I were religious I'd pray for you.

[JamesWales]

Re: "From the river to the sea" chant

James you are on another planet. Forget anti -semitic chanting, we have innocent children and babies being slaughtered by Israeli terrorists. Before you start that is no anti -semitic description, many Jewish people are horrified by this murderous onslaught.

If you are so dim and/or bigoted to be more concerned by repressed people voicing their anger at their evil overlords rather than the genocide of innocent people then I can't see how anyone could have an intelligent discourse with you. You're obviously a troubled individual and if I were religious I'd pray for you.

I think you are the dim one. Where did I say that chanting matters more than people dying? I didn't say that. The point is, antisemitic chanting will not solve the problem, it will only contribute to making it worse. It only adds to the conflict and undermines efforts at peace, emboldened Israel as they can point to such instances happening in many cities.

And that's why you shouldn't support it, but you can't bring yourself to say it, which I find very odd.

And by your logic..that something worse is always happening..you would tolerate all racist or xenophobic chanting. Is that your position? Or is it only in this scenario that it's okay?

[jon1959]

Re: "From the river to the sea" chant

You no absolutely nothing about me, but I do note you dwell in gross stereotypes.

Probably why you fail to condemn people chanting antisemitic things at rallies in the UK that do nothing whatsoever to help achieve peace and damage the very cause you claim to support.

All you need to do is say..you know what..it's true..chanting anti Semitic tropes about wiping out a country probably isn't helpful. But you are so sectarian on this and every issue that you cannot do that. Last week you were defending the jihad chants. The week before you were saying left-wing authoritarianism is okay. Interesting character you are, but certainly not a fan of peace it seems.

Decided to escalate and double down have you?

The ‘river to the sea’ is not anti Semitic. It was originally a Zionist slogan (very popular with Old Testament bashing Christian Zionists) to illustrate their ethnic cleansing ambitions. It was appropriated by the Palestinians to describe their ambition for a free and democratic state (or states if you were persuaded by Oslo) that over turned the colonial occupation we know now.

You have decided to echo the propaganda of the oppressors and vilify their victims. Not a surprise.

Jewish protestors in London and New York against the bloodbath in Gaza had no problem chanting ‘From the river to the sea Palestine will be free’ because they know it is about creating a land which is free of oppression and can be a home to all. It is the defenders of apartheid and ethnic cleansing who call that anti Semitism.

[the other bob wilson]

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So mass chanting, viewed as racist by many, and widely viewed as promoting a single Palestinian state is progressive and helps does it?

And yes, mass chanting like that on the streets of Britain is offensive IMO.

As racist and offensive as calling people gammon? You do love throwing the racism accusations around don’t you.

[Jordi Culé]

Re: "From the river to the sea" chant

Despite your whataboutery Jordi, this thread is about a chant widely considered to be racist at worst or calling for the end of a nation at best that is entirely unconnected to finding a peaceful solution.
It doesn't help the peace cause one bit.

Why can't you say it isn't on?

My '"whataboutery" is pointing out both sides in this debate are using similar vocabulary. You don't seem to be offended by the Likud party use of it? Even though it could be construed they are putting their words into practice? Strangely, you've ignored what is actually taking place in Palestine/Israel to become all outraged about flip flops wearing lefties using a slogan in London as you don't think their actions are helpful to any peace process.

Fuuck me.

[pipster]

Re: "From the river to the sea" chant

Well it depends on your perspective

People who want a free Palestine sing it in support of those in gaza

People who are anti Semitic......very different to being pro Palestine and sometimes sing it to intimidate people of Jewish origin

The press have jumped on the song as a reflection of the latter

But that's not a correct conclusion in many cases

Yes you are right - if you are an anti Semite - then your perspective is right and you will chant it.
Maybe as the ccmb international spokes person you could tell us why it's not a correct conclusion?

[Eric Cartman]

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James rather than this clickbaity type 'some people think x is racist', why don't you explain why you think the chant is inherently racist/anti-semitic, the thread would go better then I think.

[Dorcus]

Re: "From the river to the sea" chant

I think you are the dim one. Where did I say that chanting matters more than people dying? I didn't say that. The point is, antisemitic chanting will not solve the problem, it will only contribute to making it worse. It only adds to the conflict and undermines efforts at peace, emboldened Israel as they can point to such instances happening in many cities.

And that's why you shouldn't support it, but you can't bring yourself to say it, which I find very odd.

And by your logic..that something worse is always happening..you would tolerate all racist or xenophobic chanting. Is that your position? Or is it only in this scenario that it's okay?

One thing's for sure you obviously never studied logic. Did you study anything?

All that's happened in this thread is that you've shown yourself up to be bigoted, insecure and incapable of original thought.

If you are more bothered by chants than genocide then there's little hope for you.