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[Rjk]

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I work for a Swedish company, and know many Swedes.

most I've spoken to wish that had locked down sooner than they eventually did.

[JamesWales]

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What this Sweden?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-...emic_in_Sweden

This Sweden
Sweden's no-lockdown COVID strategy was broadly correct, commission suggests

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/sweden-report-coronavirus-1.6364154

[Wales-Bales]

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I work for a Swedish company, and know many Swedes.

most I've spoken to wish that had locked down sooner than they eventually did.

Why? I know lot's of jab-shy people, and they are all still here wandering around as though nothing happened, except for the odd cough and runny nose.

[JamesWales]

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Why? I know lot's of jab-shy people, and they are all still here wandering around as though nothing happened, except for the odd cough and runny nose.

The lockdown and vaccine are different things though aren't they. I have different opinions on them. Lockdown did huge and long lasting damage to society IMO. The Vaccine, whilst I suspect there wasn't enough research on it did get us out of that hell.

[Wales-Bales]

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The lockdown and vaccine are different things though aren't they. I have different opinions on them. Lockdown did huge and long lasting damage to society IMO. The Vaccine, whilst I suspect there wasn't enough research on it did get us out of that hell.

I'm only going on empirical evidence here, but I failed to see any devastation amongst the jab-shy that I was expecting to see.

[JamesWales]

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I'm only going on empirical evidence here, but I failed to see any devastation amongst the jab-shy that I was expecting to see.

Well no, if you were not in a vulnerable group I doubt it made a damn bit of difference if you had the vaccine or not. My kids havent had it. It didn't prevent you passing it on so thats the big thing.

I'm pro vaccine though and was one of the first of my age to have it. I didn't feel it protected me, but it got us out of Covid which in some senses was a lifesaver.

[lardy]

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The lockdown and vaccine are different things though aren't they. I have different opinions on them. Lockdown did huge and long lasting damage to society IMO. The Vaccine, whilst I suspect there wasn't enough research on it did get us out of that hell.

It's been a couple of years now since the last lockdown, so what damage do you think we're still feeling?

[lardy]

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Well no, if you were not in a vulnerable group I doubt it made a damn bit of difference if you had the vaccine or not. My kids havent had it. It didn't prevent you passing it on so thats the big thing.

I'm pro vaccine though and was one of the first of my age to have it. I didn't feel it protected me, but it got us out of Covid which in some senses was a lifesaver.

When I had covid the symptoms lasted for one night, which is less than a cold, so I think it protected me.

[JamesWales]

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It's been a couple of years now since the last lockdown, so what damage do you think we're still feeling?

Massive legacy in terms of mental health, reduced contact and mixing, social interactions etc. Work from home having a big impact still. I think we are a much more paranoid and anxious society now. Huge delays in getting anything done, from passports to hip ops. The Covid period altered nearly every social statistic going and we havent recovered.

But yeah, it's not what it was during lockdown, but there is still a long lasting legacy IMO.

You don't think so?

[Wales-Bales]

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Massive legacy in terms of mental health, reduced contact and mixing, social interactions etc. Work from home having a big impact still. I think we are a much more paranoid and anxious society now. Huge delays in getting anything done, from passports to hip ops. The Covid period altered nearly every social statistic going and we havent recovered.

But yeah, it's not what it was during lockdown, but there is still a long lasting legacy IMO.

You don't think so?

It also bankrupted the country and the rest of the world, and the effect of that is still coming.

[lardy]

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Massive legacy in terms of mental health, reduced contact and mixing, social interactions etc. Work from home having a big impact still. I think we are a much more paranoid and anxious society now. Huge delays in getting anything done, from passports to hip ops. The Covid period altered nearly every social statistic going and we havent recovered.

But yeah, it's not what it was during lockdown, but there is still a long lasting legacy IMO.

You don't think so?

Not really.

I never think about the lockdowns. I've not heard anyone discuss them for months. It's anecdotal based on my experience, which is worthless, but I haven't read of any studies that show a massive legacy of mental health problems. Maybe they exist and the research has been done.

Can we really still blame long delays at the passport office etc on the lockdown? There's probably other more bureaucratic and financial reasons for it. Unless it's a global problem that all countries who locked down are still experiencing. Maybe research exists for that too.

Working from home seems pretty popular amongst employees.

I didn't enjoy the lockdowns any more than anyone else. I worried about long term effects, particularly on kids development like my own kids. But humans are pretty resilient, its more of a bad memory and bad memories get better with time.

[the other bob wilson]

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Not really.

I never think about the lockdowns. I've not heard anyone discuss them for months. It's anecdotal based on my experience, which is worthless, but I haven't read of any studies that show a massive legacy of mental health problems. Maybe they exist and the research has been done.

Can we really still blame long delays at the passport office etc on the lockdown? There's probably other more bureaucratic and financial reasons for it. Unless it's a global problem that all countries who locked down are still experiencing. Maybe research exists for that too.

Working from home seems pretty popular amongst employees.

I didn't enjoy the lockdowns any more than anyone else. I worried about long term effects, particularly on kids development like my own kids. But humans are pretty resilient, its more of a bad memory and bad memories get better with time.

Agree with so much of this. Let's face it, unless you're over, say, eighty five, the pandemic was the most traumatic thing our society has been through in their lifetimes and isn't the truth that it would have had a traumatising effect, lockdown or not? In fact, isn't it a reasonable argument to say that no lockdown would have seen more cases of Covid and more deaths? If that were true then the current backlogs and delays in non Covid health treatment may well have been worse because many staff would have been diverted to treat Covid cases.

More cases and deaths would have led to more cases of Coved related mental problems wouldn't it or are we supposed to believe that if everyone went about their normal business with no lockdown three years ago, we would have been back to "normal" now?

That said, my experience is like yours in that people I talk to are largely "over" lockdown now. Interestingly, at 67, I'm a bit on the young side when it comes to fellow dog walkers I meet and talk to - many of them are 70 plus (i.e. the age group most at risk from Covid) and, apart from the odd comment if someone they know has had Covid, the pandemic barely gets a mention these days. I can't remember the last time lockdown was discussed either.

As you say, people are generally resilient and, if anything, children are even moreso. However, I share your concern about what effect what was, in some respects, a missed school year might have on many kids, although it seems to me that it will be ten to fifteen years before we start to discover if todays seven to twenty year old were seriously affected by lockdowns.

[JamesWales]

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Agree with so much of this. Let's face it, unless you're over, say, eighty five, the pandemic was the most traumatic thing our society has been through in their lifetimes and isn't the truth that it would have had a traumatising effect, lockdown or not? In fact, isn't it a reasonable argument to say that no lockdown would have seen more cases of Covid and more deaths? If that were true then the current backlogs and delays in non Covid health treatment may well have been worse because many staff would have been diverted to treat Covid cases.

More cases and deaths would have led to more cases of Coved related mental problems wouldn't it or are we supposed to believe that if everyone went about their normal business with no lockdown three years ago, we would have been back to "normal" now?

That said, my experience is like yours in that people I talk to are largely "over" lockdown now. Interestingly, at 67, I'm a bit on the young side when it comes to fellow dog walkers I meet and talk to - many of them are 70 plus (i.e. the age group most at risk from Covid) and, apart from the odd comment if someone they know has had Covid, the pandemic barely gets a mention these days. I can't remember the last time lockdown was discussed either.

As you say, people are generally resilient and, if anything, children are even moreso. However, I share your concern about what effect what was, in some respects, a missed school year might have on many kids, although it seems to me that it will be ten to fifteen years before we start to discover if todays seven to twenty year old were seriously affected by lockdowns.

We will all have different experiences of it, no question. Mine is wholly negative, aside from the first couple of weeks, which were alright and perhaps even needed by society). Long term, nothing positive has emerged as far as I'm concerned.

And that's more about the impact of the whole thing, not just lockdowns per se, which were of course the main thrust of it.

[Wales-Bales]

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https://www.theguardian.com/society/...an-market-data

Newly released genetic data gathered from a live food market in Wuhan has linked Covid-19 with raccoon dogs, adding weight to the theory that infected animals sold at the site started the coronavirus pandemic, researchers involved in the work say.

Who'd have thunk it!

Not me!

Racoon dogs in Wuhan 'did not spread Covid to humans'

New in-depth genetic analysis suggests there is barely any Covid-19 intermixed with raccoon dog DNA

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/04/27/covid-19-start-origins-not-wuhan-raccoon-dogs/

[TWGL1]

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I work for a Swedish company, and know many Swedes.

most I've spoken to wish that had locked down sooner than they eventually did.

Funny that , my ex girlfriend is Swedish and am still in contact with her and she says the opposite as do her friends , family and peers.