Artificial Intelligence

[Taunton Blue Genie]

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I’m sorry Dave, I’m afraid I can’t do that

Did you spot Leonard Rossiter in the opening scenes?

[Taunton Blue Genie]

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I'm convinced that half the posts on here are written by AI.

Yes, Al Murray.

[splott parker]

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AI and Robotics will replace lots of jobs. Even building sites are predicted to be largely human free by the 50s and there's already a robot bricky much quicker than any human and won't knock off at 4pm.

In the short term people working with AI will shrink the needed workforce.

Problems will arise when AI are allowed to rewrite themselves, generate other AI and build things via robotics without human oversight.

It's why universal basic income will become necessary as there won't be enough jobs for everyone.

There are many reasons why a robot bricklayer won’t work.

[Rjk]

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There are many reasons why a robot bricklayer won’t work.

that's robotics rather than AI but I've seen a few systems that can do that already and they'll only get better with time .

it's probably more resilient to automation than a lot of careers though

[North Cardiff Blue]

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What are people’s thoughts on where we currently are with AI and where we are heading with it?

I’ve used ChatGPT a fair bit over the last few months and it has been very handy for certain tasks that I’d not really relished doing.

It’s alarming some people though to the point of it’s progression being requested to slow or pause for a while.

https://www.reuters.com/technology/ai-pioneer-says-its-threat-world-may-be-more-urgent-than-climate-change-2023-05-05/

I watched this Tom Scott video a while back and his concerns resonated with me.

https://youtu.be/jPhJbKBuNnA

I've invested in quite a few funds with a heavy AI influence, supposed to be in for a good ten years profits-wise, every cloud and all that!

[splott parker]

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that's robotics rather than AI but I've seen a few systems that can do that already and they'll only get better with time .

it's probably more resilient to automation than a lot of careers though

As I said, there’s many reasons. Non uniformity is a massive problem for some human bricklayers, a robot would most probably explode Programming it to different gauges, perp widths etc to hit openings, head heights etc would most probably be more expensive, equipment wise and time wise, even on times having to build things out of plumb to make it ‘look right’ etc, than just having a human do it.

If every building was set out to exact brick or block gauge both width and height wise, doors & windows, vents, foundations spot on from concrete to damp course level etc there may be a chance, but, trust me, they never, ever are and never will be.

[Rjk]

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As I said, there’s many reasons. Non uniformity is a massive problem for some human bricklayers, a robot would most probably explode Programming it to different gauges, perp widths etc to hit openings, head heights etc would most probably be more expensive, equipment wise and time wise, even on times having to build things out of plumb to make it ‘look right’ etc, than just having a human do it.

If every building was set out to exact brick or block gauge both width and height wise, doors & windows, vents, foundations spot on from concrete to damp course level etc there may be a chance, but, trust me, they never, ever are and never will be.

those things don't actually sound that difficult for robotics to overcome, with enough investment.

[Gofer Blue]

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I’m sorry Dave, I’m afraid I can’t do that

From one of my all-time favourite films! At least Dave was able to get at the memory modules and pull the plugs.

[Brizzlebluebirds]

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Did you spot Leonard Rossiter in the opening scenes?

I just googled it... never realised that. And googling it led me down one hell of a rabbit hole of forgotten 70's sitcoms and actors (I was about 3 when Rising Damp came out so can only remember the 80's repeats!).

[Wales-Bales]

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It's why universal basic income will become necessary as there won't be enough jobs for everyone.

Ah, the "useless eaters" conundrum.

[splott parker]

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those things don't actually sound that difficult for robotics to overcome, with enough investment.

It’s actually very difficult to overcome in practice. Grinding down, picking up, cutting and making sure the bond is maintained, not to mention the different types of bond. Jointing, pointing, brushing arisses after jointing. Bricks with feathers would have to be stacked correctly, taking more time whereas the human selects each one and lays it the right way up. Cutting insulation to fit different scenarios. Honestly, there’s a hell of a lot involved that is only cost effective for a human to do.

Obviously things have moved on in construction, chippies, electricians, plumbers would rather pick up a rattlesnake than a tool without a lead or a battery, labourers have all sorts of labour saving devices nowadays whereas the wet trades are still using their trowels in the same way as has been done for centuries. Same string lines, plumb bobs, spirit levels, water levels, hammers, chisels, dressing of stone quoins and more, no change at all since time immemorial. No doubt there’s been some attempts at automation, Tomorrow’s World very often would have an item on it, to no avail though.

On domestic extensions, there’s very often ongoing alterations to the plans during construction . Clients changing their mind, dimensions changed, openings moved etc. A programmed machine would have more than steam coming out of its ears (as we do) in these circumstances akin to a SatNav bollocking you when you change your mind when driving

[Brizzlebluebirds]

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From one of my all-time favourite films! At least Dave was able to get at the memory modules and pull the plugs.

It's a great film! I watched a interesting video on it the other night https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxiB3qtMRHc&t=3s

[Dorcus]

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I latched on to this thread and mistakenly thought it was a discussion about the Cardiff City board.

[Wash DC Blue]

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Informative for anyone that’s interested.

https://youtu.be/xoVJKj8lcNQ

[Rjk]

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Screenshot_2023-05-11-13-21-53-231_com.miui.gallery-edit.jpg

here are 2 images of some delicious key lime pies

one is real, the other generated by an AI engine. I won't say which is which.

if you look closely it is fairly easy to tell which is which, but it's getting harder and harder to do so. at first glance though it's not bad.

the real picture requires someone to make the pie, lay out the scene, and a professional food photographer to take the photos. several hours work.

the ai picture is generated in seconds