A fourth by election looming.

[jon1959]

Re: A fourth by election looming.

But it is the only metric that counts - you win the seat or you dont.
We had a PR referendum - and that was lost as well.

Maybe if David and Ed's older brother was leader there may have been a different outcome.

You began this by talking about who wanted Corbyn (only lefty nutters and London champaign drinkers I think you said?) so measures of popular support seem to be the most relevant response to your point.

Of course in FPTP the number of seats won is the crucial metric - but a party can win more seats with a lower % of the popular vote than a rival party - so seats won is not the way to measure popular support.

So in 2019 Corbyn achieved the worst Labour result since 1935, or the third worst (and second best) since 2005. Both are true. Still lost though!

[pipster]

Re: A fourth by election looming.

You began this by talking about who wanted Corbyn (only lefty nutters and London champaign drinkers I think you said?) so measures of popular support seem to be the most relevant response to your point.

Of course in FPTP the number of seats won is the crucial metric - but a party can win more seats with a lower % of the popular vote than a rival party - so seats won is not the way to measure popular support.

So in 2019 Corbyn achieved the worst Labour result since 1935, or the third worst (and second best) since 2005. Both are true. Still lost though!

I think Hilary used the same tactic as you, maybe if she hadnt accused anyone think of voting Trump as a basket case of deplorables - then she might have 'won' the election as well. In fact I think trump used the 'I won the popular vote' argument after he lost to Biden - obviously - it must in the PR handbook of what to say when you realise you have actually lost rather then won....

[jon1959]

Re: A fourth by election looming.

I think Hilary used the same tactic as you, maybe if she hadnt accused anyone think of voting Trump as a basket case of deplorables - then she might have 'won' the election as well. In fact I think trump used the 'I won the popular vote' argument after he lost to Biden - obviously - it must in the PR handbook of what to say when you realise you have actually lost rather then won....

What are you gibbering on about?

If you move your goalposts any more you'll be out of the ground.

You started this particular digression. I responded to the point you claimed to make. You then started arguing against yourself. Is that a 'tactic'? Very odd!

I don't think Trump used the "I won the popular vote' argument when he lost in 2020. Unlike Clinton, he didn't.

[pipster]

Re: A fourth by election looming.

Youre right, he blamed the automatic counting machines saying they were rigged, never accepted Biden won etc.

Hilary had a get out option - as did Corbyn.