Labour under Starmer.

[MOZZER2]

Re: Labour under Starmer.

Yes, depressing. There are good reasons for this recent phenomenon of ineffective leaders, a strong view that I have personally held since the financial crisis.

Looking at what has happened since then, and looking forward, I see no reason for it to change for anothet five years at least.

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[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: Labour under Starmer.

That's about the size of it although I draw the line at actually voting for him. As the saying goes, you'll only encourage him.

So who are you going to vote for then ?

[Robin Friday's Ghost]

Re: Labour under Starmer.

So who are you going to vote for then ?

I genuinely have no idea. I previously lived in Blaenau Gwent and we had a couple of (genuinely) independent candidates who actually got in such was the dissatisfaction with the local Labour Party. I also voted Plaid last time even though I don't like them because the candidate was excellent. I'm in mid Wales now where it's a battle between the Tories and Lib-Dems. I can't vote for either, the former for obvious reasons and the latter because of their despicable turn of face over tuition fees when they joined the coalition.

So I've no idea.

[Dorcus]

Re: Labour under Starmer.

I genuinely have no idea. I previously lived in Blaenau Gwent and we had a couple of (genuinely) independent candidates who actually got in such was the dissatisfaction with the local Labour Party. I also voted Plaid last time even though I don't like them because the candidate was excellent. I'm in mid Wales now where it's a battle between the Tories and Lib-Dems. I can't vote for either, the former for obvious reasons and the latter because of their despicable turn of face over tuition fees when they joined the coalition.

So I've no idea.

I think if I were you I'd vote for the party I hate least and hopefully that's not the Tories in your case. If the result depended on one vote you'd no doubt kick yourself if the party you hated most won.

[Robin Friday's Ghost]

Re: Labour under Starmer.

I think if I were you I'd vote for the party I hate least and hopefully that's not the Tories in your case. If the result depended on one vote you'd no doubt kick yourself if the party you hated most won.

I understand that's how it works for a lot of people but not me. I want to vote for positive reasons and i don't see much of that in today's Labour party. If the Tories get back in then they get back in. I won't be breaking open a bottle if Labour gets in either.

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Re: Labour under Starmer.

I understand that's how it works for a lot of people but not me. I want to vote for positive reasons and i don't see much of that in today's Labour party. If the Tories get back in then they get back in. I won't be breaking open a bottle if Labour gets in either.

They are more likely to get in if moderate voters like you don't bother voting or don't vote Labour because they are not a lot better than the tories

A Labour led coalition is going to do more than Labour in opposition and yet another tory government

Starmer is hopeless and the likes of Raynor and the trendy left make me cringe but it's the best of a bad bunch really

We can't just sit there because if we do then we can't complain

[Robin Friday's Ghost]

Re: Labour under Starmer.

They are more likely to get in if moderate voters like you don't bother voting or don't vote Labour because they are not a lot better than the tories

A Labour led coalition is going to do more than Labour in opposition and yet another tory government

Starmer is hopeless and the likes of Raynor and the trendy left make me cringe but it's the best of a bad bunch really

We can't just sit there because if we do then we can't complain

I agree that's a fair possibility. I am just not willing to give my endorsement to a shower like Labour, and Starmer particularly. He has made it clear that he won't be making any radical changes. He'd be less corrupt I'l give him that. But, other than that, I'm not convinced we'd see much difference.

I won't complain if I don't vote Labour - which I won't - and the Tories get in again. I'll wait until Labour can offer something I actually support. I understand what you are saying. I just can't go along with it and I'm willing to suffer the consequences. Maybe it will lead to a better Labour Party in the long run. Maybe it won't.

[JamesWales]

Re: Labour under Starmer.

I've asked this before but never got much of an answer, but aside from the general benefits of a change of govt that does typically rejuvenate most democracies (and would do in Cardiff Bay and Westminster) what do people think will really change under Labour?

What are the big ticket improvements to look forward to? Or are they more about the tone of govvernment etc? Which is a reason in itself, but doesn't impact on most people's lives much.

I can't get enthusiastic about any of them really.

[Eric Cartman]

Re: Labour under Starmer.

I've asked this before but never got much of an answer, but aside from the general benefits of a change of govt that does typically rejuvenate most democracies (and would do in Cardiff Bay and Westminster) what do people think will really change under Labour?

What are the big ticket improvements to look forward to? Or are they more about the tone of govvernment etc? Which is a reason in itself, but doesn't impact on most people's lives much.

I can't get enthusiastic about any of them really.

There's appears to be a loose acknowledgement that government needs to be involved in the delivery of the basic needs of its citizens. I am clinging to that.

When it comes to energy, water, education, housing, transport etc. the government shouldn't just be an entity that hands out licenses, it is responsible for people.

Do I think labour will go as far as we need to go to see real change, probably not but I think more than ever there is a realisation and maybe majority support for the idea that quite a large part of the privatisation of this country has not been good in any way for ordinary people. Does that mean instantly nationalising everything, no.

I am also looking forward to someone boring being in charge. Rishi could be that but integrity and accountability fizzled away very quickly.

Labour have got a very tough job on their hands presuming they win a majority (or near as) at the next election.

[pipster]

Re: Labour under Starmer.

I have an acquaintance who took did his bar exam with Keir (they both passed). Starma went to DPP - the acquaintance went into prosecution and then military court-martial. We have talked Keir Starma many times over a pint and there are 2 things that always come up

1. He had no personality whatsoever.
2. He is in no way in any shape or form a Socialist.

[Wales-Bales]

Re: Labour under Starmer.

There is no mystery.

Starmer lied - and lied and lied and lied - then he didn’t. The real right wing, adenoidal, personality deficient, cowardly Starmer is the one you see on your TV screens now.

Despite the Labour shit show on offer they are still a marginally better option than the Tories.

Depressing isn’t it?

I actually think he will be worse than anything the Tories leaders had to offer, just look at the so-called lefties who were in charge in Canada, Australia and NZ, they were tyrants.

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Re: Labour under Starmer.

I have an acquaintance who took did his bar exam with Keir (they both passed). Starma went to DPP - the acquaintance went into prosecution and then military court-martial. We have talked Keir Starma many times over a pint and there are 2 things that always come up

1. He had no personality whatsoever.
2. He is in no way in any shape or form a Socialist.

3 . You and your mate are fecking Tories

[pipster]

Re: Labour under Starmer.

3 . You and your mate are fecking Tories

Presume you were pissed when you scrawled that ?

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Re: Labour under Starmer.

Presume you were pissed when you scrawled that ?

I don't drink

You and your mate

Raving Tories

[pipster]

Re: Labour under Starmer.

I don't drink

You and your mate

Raving Tories

Laughing gas ?