Sue Gray

[JamesWales]

It doesn't look great for a party forever accusing others of corruption does it?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-66086668

[Doucas]

Re: Sue Gray

It doesn't look great for a party forever accusing others of corruption does it?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-66086668

I don't support Labour (who are basically tory at this point), and I obviously dont support the tories.

But saying that trying to pretend that Labour are anywhere near as corrupt as the tories is laughable and makes you look thick.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: Sue Gray

I don't support Labour (who are basically tory at this point), and I obviously dont support the tories.

But saying that trying to pretend that Labour are anywhere near as corrupt as the tories is laughable and makes you look thick.

The Tories are disingenuous twats

[ninian opinian]

Re: Sue Gray

It doesn't look great for a party forever accusing others of corruption does it?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-66086668

Calling this corruption, from someone who supports the most corrupt government in our history.

Extremely silly statement from HMG, but no surprise there.

There are 4 problems with it:

1. The properly constituted Acoba process said that Gov’t hadn’t provided any evidence of a breach of impartiality, even when asked

2. By contrast, HMG ‘investigation’ finds only a ‘prima facie’ case, in other words, nothing is proved;

3. There is no publicly available account of the standing of this ‘investigation’, of what its processes were, or how the conclusions were reached (in marked contrast to ACOBA). No evidence of any kind is adduced to support its findings.

4. Successive Govts have a long-standing convention of not commenting on personnel matters.

That now becomes harder to sustain in future cases thanks to this precedent.

And for what benefit to either the Gov’t or the wider public interest?

So in words that we can all understand, a load of old bollox.

[Dorcus]

Re: Sue Gray

The Tories are sh*****g themselves at the moment and are desperate. They realise the only recourse they have is to stirring up immigration and mud slinging. It won't work this time, the world has moved on.

[Eric Cartman]

Re: Sue Gray

It doesn't look great for a party forever accusing others of corruption does it?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-66086668

Maybe be a bit more specific about how you think this is corruption?

[cyril evans awaydays]

Re: Sue Gray

Maybe be a bit more specific about how you think this is corruption?

You have to realise that for a while now, James has been living with a genuine and heartfelt dilemma about which party should earn his vote in the next election. This could be the tipping point!

[Dorcus]

Re: Sue Gray

You have to realise that for a while now, James has been living with a genuine and heartfelt dilemma about which party should earn his vote in the next election. This could be the tipping point!

I detect I change in him recently since he has been persuaded by good counsel on this board. My bet is he will vote Labour come the next election.

[life on mars]

Re: Sue Gray

Sue Gray is a very interesting character strange initial job choice for English person in NI. I spy with my ?

https://news.sky.com/story/bandit-country-landlady-sue-grays-bring-your-own-booze-party-report-could-call-time-on-the-pm-12525575

[JamesWales]

Re: Sue Gray

I don't support Labour (who are basically tory at this point), and I obviously dont support the tories.

But saying that trying to pretend that Labour are anywhere near as corrupt as the tories is laughable and makes you look thick.

I think my approach now, is to assume that when the default response is merely insults, that it's an acknowledgement that the person being insulted has a point.

Her independent report essentially led to Johnson losing his job. She is now working for the Labour party (her son is also an activist) and now it seems she broke civil service rules by not declaring the job offer?

Come on. If this story was reversed several on here would need to book in for heart bypass surgery you would be that excited with rage.

I merely think the Labour party are having us on if they are free of any scandal or corruption.

[cyril evans awaydays]

Re: Sue Gray

The Gray report is the reason Johnson is no longer PM???

[JamesWales]

Re: Sue Gray

The Gray report is the reason Johnson is no longer PM???

Not directly, but it was a huge deal and was published a month or so before he resigned as PM. No one is naive enough to think it wasn't a contributory factor.

And for her to then become a part of the opposition, when her report was criticised (unfairly in my opinion) as being a bit of stitch up...well, it's not a great look is it?

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: Sue Gray

Not directly, but it was a huge deal and was published a month or so before he resigned as PM. No one is naive enough to think it wasn't a contributory factor.

And for her to then become a part of the opposition, when her report was criticised (unfairly in my opinion) as being a bit of stitch up...well, it's not a great look is it?

You are pissed off because you think gray and Labour will get away with tory type behaviour

And you hope the story will run and cost labour votes

That's all you care about , your tory lot

If they pull it off I will be laughing 😂 my ass off

[JamesWales]

Re: Sue Gray

I'm not pissed off about it, but I do think:

1 / The Sue Gray report probably suffered from some kind of bias. The speed with which she started working for the Labour party is pretty dodgy.

2 / The two main parties are both equally susceptible to bad behaviour and there is a whiff of hypocrisy around

3 / I don't mind Labour winning the next election at all. I assume they will and they may get my vote. The key thing for me was Starmer to stop banging on about Brexit and he seems to be courting the working class vote by stopping going on about it and also stepping away from a lot of the more 'woke' stuff too. That said, I don't want a landslide. I don't think that's really good in any respect. Healthy majority is best.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: Sue Gray

I'm not pissed off about it, but I do think:

1 / The Sue Gray report probably suffered from some kind of bias. The speed with which she started working for the Labour party is pretty dodgy.

2 / The two main parties are both equally susceptible to bad behaviour and there is a whiff of hypocrisy around

3 / I don't mind Labour winning the next election at all. I assume they will and they may get my vote. The key thing for me was Starmer to stop banging on about Brexit and he seems to be courting the working class vote by stopping going on about it and also stepping away from a lot of the more 'woke' stuff too. That said, I don't want a landslide. I don't think that's really good in any respect. Healthy majority is best.

Don't insult my intelligence

You are a raving tory and there is as much chance of you voting Labour as me voting Conservative