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**JamesWales** · 13-07-23, 18:54

Re: Labour Voting Or Tory Voting ( no difference)

I think Syriza in Greece were generally considered socialist weren't they? Totally fcked over by the EU of course, which makes the British Lefts love affair with Brussels all the more baffling.

Syriza won a second election I remember, before being voted out by Greek Conservatives

**pipster** · 13-07-23, 20:03

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Originally posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post

For someone who isn't a tory ........yeah right ......you spent a lot of time slagging off the alternative

Thou doth protest too much my lord

Let me try again - Sludge in your opinion when was the last time we had a truly Socialist Govt ie one that actually won a general election ?

Dont try and redefine Socialism or claim Corbyn won - when he didnt (that's Trump territory) - just answer that one small question

**SLUDGE FACTORY** · 13-07-23, 20:17

Re: Labour Voting Or Tory Voting ( no difference)

Originally posted by JamesWales View Post

I think Syriza in Greece were generally considered socialist weren't they? Totally fcked over by the EU of course, which makes the British Lefts love affair with Brussels all the more baffling.

Syriza won a second election I remember, before being voted out by Greek Conservatives

Oh here he is again

He's not a tory but he's giving his right wing perspective of the EU

Bargain basement Nigel Farage

**SLUDGE FACTORY** · 13-07-23, 20:20

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Originally posted by pipster View Post

Let me try again - Sludge in your opinion when was the last time we had a truly Socialist Govt ie one that actually won a general election ?

Dont try and redefine Socialism or claim Corbyn won - when he didnt (that's Trump territory) - just answer that one small question

I don't care when we last had a socialist govt

I am as much a socialist as I am one of your lot

I just despise the Tories and will be voting to kick you out

On your way

**Tuerto** · 13-07-23, 21:22

Re: Labour Voting Or Tory Voting ( no difference)

Originally posted by JamesWales View Post

I think Syriza in Greece were generally considered socialist weren't they? Totally fcked over by the EU of course, which makes the British Lefts love affair with Brussels all the more baffling.

Syriza won a second election I remember, before being voted out by Greek Conservatives

The EU is very right wing, pro business.

**JamesWales** · 13-07-23, 21:36

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Originally posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post

Oh here he is again

He's not a tory but he's giving his right wing perspective of the EU

Bargain basement Nigel Farage

See this is what gets me. You are pro EU and pro Left, and what? Have no idea about the long running dispute between the Greek Govt and the EU?

It was basically an anti austerity socialist Greek govt vs a Pro-austerity EU.

Did you miss all that?

Guardian: "Syriza�s historic win puts Greece on collision course with Europe"

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jan/25/syriza-historic-win-greece-european-union-austerity

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30977587

**Tuerto** · 13-07-23, 21:40

Re: Labour Voting Or Tory Voting ( no difference)

Originally posted by JamesWales View Post

See this is what gets me. You are pro EU and pro Left, and what? Have no idea about the long running dispute between the Greek Govt and the EU?

It was basically an anti austerity socialist Greek govt vs a Pro-austerity EU.

Did you miss all that?

Guardian: "Syriza’s historic win puts Greece on collision course with Europe"

Syriza’s historic win puts Greece on collision course with Europe

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jan/25/syriza-historic-win-greece-european-union-austerity

Greek voters reject EU austerity for radical alternative of far-left party, which falls just short of an overall majority

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30977587

The greek Government couldn't even build hospitals or open medical centres such was the force from the EU. Ireland has suffered as well.

**SLUDGE FACTORY** · 13-07-23, 21:53

Re: Labour Voting Or Tory Voting ( no difference)

Originally posted by Tuerto View Post

The EU is very right wing, pro business.

That's the analysis from finished old pub bores like corbyn and Tony Benn

**JamesWales** · 13-07-23, 22:15

Re: Labour Voting Or Tory Voting ( no difference)

Originally posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post

That's the analysis from finished old pub bores like corbyn and Tony Benn

It basically promotes market forces at every turn. Its why across the EU most socialist parties (as opposed to centre-left) are eurosceptic.

The largest party in the EU parliament has also been the centre-right for years now and likely to get stronger still.

The British left should have been comfortable with Brexit, esp when the working class overwhelmingly voted for it. They couldn't do so because they let Farage dictate things (and also lots have lovely holiday homes in the south of France, darling)

**SLUDGE FACTORY** · 13-07-23, 22:50

Re: Labour Voting Or Tory Voting ( no difference)

Originally posted by JamesWales View Post

It basically promotes market forces at every turn. Its why across the EU most socialist parties (as opposed to centre-left) are eurosceptic.

The largest party in the EU parliament has also been the centre-right for years now and likely to get stronger still.

The British left should have been comfortable with Brexit, esp when the working class overwhelmingly voted for it. They couldn't do so because they let Farage dictate things (and also lots have lovely holiday homes in the south of France, darling)

Absolute bollocks

**Tuerto** · 13-07-23, 23:04

Re: Labour Voting Or Tory Voting ( no difference)

Originally posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post

That's the analysis from finished old pub bores like corbyn and Tony Benn

Corbyn and Benn were or are both Teetotal.

**Hilts** · 14-07-23, 07:38

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Plenty on the left were in favour of Brexit.

Weird to suggest otherwise.

**JamesWales** · 14-07-23, 09:16

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Originally posted by Hilts View Post

Plenty on the left were in favour of Brexit.

Weird to suggest otherwise.

I agree. But generally the institutions werent. The story of Paul Embery and the FBU is an interesting one

**JamesWales** · 14-07-23, 09:26

Re: Labour Voting Or Tory Voting ( no difference)

Originally posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post

Absolute bollocks

Okay the last comment was purposefully tongue in cheek, but literally none of that is bollocks.

Here is what Britain's foremost socialist paper said in 2016

Why the Morning Star supports a Leave vote

https://morningstaronline.co.uk/a-1bff-why-the-morning-star-supports-a-leave-vote-1

TOMORROW we decide whether or not Britain should remain a member of the European Union. We decide in a referendum called by the right, the accidental result of David Cameron’s botched attempt to appease his own backbenchers with a proposal he thought he’d never have to carry out. And we decide after a campaign dominated by the right, with rival Tory visions of the future drowning out left perspectives in the mass media.

**pipster** · 14-07-23, 10:44

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It's bizarre - Sludge is even more thick than he usually is.
I wonder if he was aware that Corbyn went to a grammar school (he later regretted it and blamed his wealthy parents)
Corbyns son also went to a grammar school (one of the best in London) he blamed this on his wife - but his sons seem tyo have done very well from their education - especially Seb - who now works for John McDonnell (Jezza's side kick) I wonder how he got that job... nepo kids...

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