Labour, scared of their own shadows.

[the other bob wilson]

I, and millions of others I’d guess, desperately want the current Government out, but sometimes you wonder what’s the point?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/aug/27/rachel-reeves-rules-out-wealth-tax-if-labour-wins-next-election

[pipster]

Re: Labour, scared of their own shadows.

If they have ruled it out then perhaps that should tell you it’s not possible given the financial circumstances of the UK
Remember when clegg promised and promised to scrap university tuition fees?
Then he found himself as deputy PM and had to fess up it wasn’t possible.
I’m surprised you believe any of them to be honest

[Dorcus]

Re: Labour, scared of their own shadows.

I, and millions of others I’d guess, desperately want the current Government out, but sometimes you wonder what’s the point?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-next-election

Very sad and yes it makes you wonder why vote for them. The only reason would be to get rid of this nightmare government and hope Labour can grow some cajones over time. If and when the party is installed as incumbent it would be heartening to see Starmer and Reeves removed. I don't like either of them.

[jon1959]

Re: Labour, scared of their own shadows.

If they have ruled it out then perhaps that should tell you it’s not possible given the financial circumstances of the UK
Remember when clegg promised and promised to scrap university tuition fees?
Then he found himself as deputy PM and had to fess up it wasn’t possible.
I’m surprised you believe any of them to be honest

Of course it was possible.

It was a political choice.

Clegg in bed with the Tories made a different choice.

And lost his seat! (Karma)

[life on mars]

Re: Labour, scared of their own shadows.

Of course it was possible.

It was a political choice.

Clegg in bed with the Tories made a different choice.

And lost his seat! (Karma)

Lost to an awful Labour Party fella called Jared O'Mara who was jailed for fraud. Bloody corrupt Tories.

As for the coalition those 5 days in May simply exposed Labours naivety and being unrepared to offer the Lib's enough to bite on , in fact they offered very little to Clegg.

Brown as PM was also a big turn off.

Wonder if groundhog day is approaching as Labour merge themselves into a pink blue variant.

How they will finance their plans is beyond me, hopefully Rachel will stop trying to get false votes via pretending to be Lite Blair Tory.

Where's Angela??

[jon1959]

Re: Labour, scared of their own shadows.

Lost to an awful Labour Party fella called Jared O'Mara who was jailed for fraud. Bloody corrupt Tories.

As for the coalition those 5 days in May simply exposed Labours naivety and being unrepared to offer the Lib's enough to bite on , in fact they offered very little to Clegg.

Brown as PM was also a big turn off.

Wonder if groundhog day is approaching as Labour merge themselves into a pink blue variant.

How they will finance their plans is beyond me, hopefully Rachel will stop trying to get false votes via pretending to be Lite Blair Tory.

Where's Angela??

That's not a surprise. Most things are beyond you.

However, to keep things very simple, Labour has decided it will copy Tory tax and spending plans until such a time in the future (distant future..... very distant) when 'the economy' has grown enough to support something more ambitious.

Starmer appears to be desperate to ensure that 'Nu Labour - Tory Lite' is the reality and the donors are not scared off!

[pipster]

Re: Labour, scared of their own shadows.

Of course it was possible.

It was a political choice.

Clegg in bed with the Tories made a different choice.

And lost his seat! (Karma)

Clegg looked at the cost and decided against it, the figures hadn’t changed he just lied to the electorate. I don’t think he ever said how he would fund it.

Corbyn should start his own real socialist party and then all true socialists will have a true socialist party to vote for. A bit like farage did with brexit party and before that ukip

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: Labour, scared of their own shadows.

I don't care wether starmer gets a 50 seat majority or that labour is the biggest party and has to form a coalition

Either will do

Just getting that bunch of freaks out of power is the first step

The next will be proportional representation so the conservatives become marginalised and for that to happen a new social democratic party will have to emerge

If it doesn't the whole washing machine cycle will run and run

I think this is Labour's last chance . It needs party discipline . All the factions mouthing off about labour not being left wing enough will just play into the Tories hands .


Shut up until we have got the blue meanies out . Then debate .

It wouldn't surprise me at all if they blow it . Some great people in the labour party but too many hopeless idiots and a very amateurish approach when they need to be ruthless .

[pipster]

Re: Labour, scared of their own shadows.

“Shut up until we have got the blue meanies out . Then debate .”

So you are advocating telling lies in order to get a party out of power you think tell lies 🫣

You’re a true socialist sludge so if Corbyn formed a party based on the foundations of socialism would you vote for it?

Plenty of brexit / ukip supporters followed their convictions and voted for a party that reflected their beliefs

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: Labour, scared of their own shadows.

“Shut up until we have got the blue meanies out . Then debate .”

So you are advocating telling lies in order to get a party out of power you think tell lies 🫣

You’re a true socialist sludge so if Corbyn formed a party based on the foundations of socialism would you vote for it?

Plenty of brexit / ukip supporters followed their convictions and voted for a party that reflected their beliefs

No , I advocate keeping quiet and pulling in the same direction until the Tories are defeated

Once that's happened then people can argue about who is the best socialist till the cows come home

I am not a socialist I think in 2023 the country needs a moderate alternative to the clowns in charge

Starmer and Reeves are not the answer in fact if starmer resigned tomorrow that would be fine by me and I would support nandy

But the long ball game is the replacement of the labour and liberals with a democratic centre alternative to the Tories and electoral reform to keep them out of power

It's no more complicated than that

[Dorcus]

Re: Labour, scared of their own shadows.

No , I advocate keeping quiet and pulling in the same direction until the Tories are defeated

Once that's happened then people can argue about who is the best socialist till the cows come home

I am not a socialist I think in 2023 the country needs a moderate alternative to the clowns in charge

Starmer and Reeves are not the answer in fact if starmer resigned tomorrow that would be fine by me and I would support nandy

But the long ball game is the replacement of the labour and liberals with a democratic centre alternative to the Tories and electoral reform to keep them out of power

It's no more complicated than that

I'm a red hot socialist and I shall be gritting my teeth (maybe not biting my tongue) while this sorry lot are the next incumbents. However I agree with you Sludge on this one. For the sake of everyone's sanity and the future of our country the absolute priority is to get the Tory tossers out.

Maybe the electorate isn't ready for socialism yet but I'm a big believer in "slowly slowly catchee monkey".

[A Quiet Monkfish]

Re: Labour, scared of their own shadows.

I'm a red hot socialist and I shall be gritting my teeth (maybe not biting my tongue) while this sorry lot are the next incumbents. However I agree with you Sludge on this one. For the sake of everyone's sanity and the future of our country the absolute priority is to get the Tory tossers out.

Maybe the electorate isn't ready for socialism yet but I'm a big believer in "slowly slowly catchee monkey".

They can't catch criminals, let alone monkeys..

[Dorcus]

Re: Labour, scared of their own shadows.

They can't catch criminals, let alone monkeys..

Yes they can. They've caught out loads of Tory fraudsters!

[Rjk]

Re: Labour, scared of their own shadows.

Clegg looked at the cost and decided against it, the figures hadn’t changed he just lied to the electorate. I don’t think he ever said how he would fund it.

Corbyn should start his own real socialist party and then all true socialists will have a true socialist party to vote for. A bit like farage did with brexit party and before that ukip

the lib Dems were a tiny proportion of the coalition, they didn't have enough sway within the coalition to get that policy through. I'm no lib dem fan at all, but I think the flack they receive, specifically clegg over it is ridiculous.

[pipster]

Re: Labour, scared of their own shadows.

Yes they can. They've caught out loads of Tory fraudsters!

Over the last 20 years any idea how many Tories , Labour or Lib Dem MPs have been sent to prison for fraud ?