Birmingham Council declares bankruptcy

[JamesWales]

Re: Birmingham Council declares bankruptcy

I was 100 percent right

Look how quiet all the tory boys were on that thread

All they could say was well what about Labour

Which proves my point

Probably bored of your endless politicking

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: Birmingham Council declares bankruptcy

What about the Conservative administration at Westminster?

Any issues there since 2010 ?

I am just having a cup of tea , I can wait

OK.......

The millions lost through dodgy track and trace ......conservatives

This school thing ......the conservatives have been warned about this for ten years ......that's going to cost the country an absolute fortune

Is that not on your list of financial shame ?

Don't fall asleep on me

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: Birmingham Council declares bankruptcy

Probably bored of your endless politicking

Feck me that's ironic coming from you

Well at least one of you lot is awake though eh

[JamesWales]

Re: Birmingham Council declares bankruptcy

Feck me that's ironic coming from you

Well at least one of you lot is awake though eh

Not really Sludgey. I have always clearly stated that good and bad exist within and happen under all parties.

A handful of people on here don't, they present things as good and evil and I fundamentally disagree with that. It so happens that the only people on here who think such things tend to support the Labour party, but if anyone came out with guff in the opposite direction, I'd pick up on that too. It just doesn't really happen.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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Not really Sludgey. I have always clearly stated that good and bad exist within and happen under all parties.

A handful of people on here don't, they present things as good and evil and I fundamentally disagree with that. It so happens that the only people on here who think such things tend to support the Labour party, but if anyone came out with guff in the opposite direction, I'd pick up on that too. It just doesn't really happen.

Absolute hogwash

You are a raving tory and plenty of us see through right through your whataboutery

You must think we came down in the last shower of rain

[North Cardiff Blue]

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Without looking at the rest of the thread, I think it's safe to assume that few know that the Tory Government changed local authority funding in 2013, allowing them to keep half of business rates in return for a reduction in block funding. This was seen as a way to incentivise councils to promote economic growth and, therefore, increases in business rates while reducing central government spending. Of course, such a move has meant that the most wealthy council areas have benefitted the most, while poorer areas have struggled.

Once again I see idiotic comments that suggest council spending is just like any other and they should live within their means. However, councils have certain essential services they are legally obliged to maintain and many are barely doing much more than that. The notion that, if you cut funding, you cut waste has a tiny flaw in it - as Blackadder would say, "it's bollocks". No business would ever consider running a council.

It's a fantastic sleight of hand. Council taxes rise but council funding drops overall so services are cut. People question what they are paying their council tax for, without realising the whole story. These are the same people who moan about towns dying because of council business rates, yet councils need those rates more than ever, providing their third largest funding pool.

So, what do the right want? Reductions in council tax, lower business rates, less money from central government, but cutting wastage will mean services can be provided at a good level. Anyone really thinking that is a total idiot.

So locking down longer when there was no need and damaging the Welsh economy more than other countries was bad then, I'm confused, you said that was great?

[North Cardiff Blue]

Re: Birmingham Council declares bankruptcy

Very interesting discussion. i also work for a council but in another country. It is also underfunded and if you wanted to burn money, just give it to a council. just my opinion

Of Course but some a lot more than others!

[pipster]

Vivere in te modo - live within your means.

Several tory run councils have been in serious financial trouble

But when it's a tory council it's not financial mismanagement ......

It's " unfortunate "

Unlike those lefty Labour types

Bloody untrustworthy

In the last few years 2 Tory's councils , 1 lib Dem and 3 Labour Councils have hit the rocks.
According to The Guardian newspaper - Croydon Council (Labour) has gone bust 3 times - so if you count instances then it's 5 to Labour. Motto of the story - Vivere in te modo - live within your means.

Brum council 19milion IT system half delivered and cost so far £100,000,000. Maybe there should be a test that Council leaders are fit for running an organisation before they are appointed ?

[the other bob wilson]

Re: Birmingham Council declares bankruptcy

Absolute hogwash

You are a raving tory and plenty of us see through right through your whataboutery

You must think we came down in the last shower of rain

Nah, be fair - he nearly always outlines his even handedness before going on to prove he was talking rubbish.

[JamesWales]

Re: Birmingham Council declares bankruptcy

Nah, be fair - he nearly always outlines his even handedness before going on to prove he was talking rubbish.

It's not hogwash though is it. You spend a lot of your time on here - why not find an example of me claiming one party is better than the other? In fact, you'll be wasting your time..go for some fresh air instead!

[JamesWales]

Re: Birmingham Council declares bankruptcy

Just to demonstrate as clearly as possible that Sludge and Bob are incorrect.

List of councils who have declared s114 bankruptcy notices:

Birmingham (Labour)
Woking (Lib Dems)
Thurrock (Conservative)
Croydon (NOC)
Northumberland (Conservative)
Nottingham (Labour)
Slough (Labour
Northamptonshire (Conservative)

Like most issues that people like them usually present as such, it's not a party political issue. It's a complex and often unique set of scenarios

[the other bob wilson]

Re: Birmingham Council declares bankruptcy

Just to demonstrate as clearly as possible that Sludge and Bob are incorrect.

List of councils who have declared s114 bankruptcy notices:

Birmingham (Labour)
Woking (Lib Dems)
Thurrock (Conservative)
Croydon (NOC)
Northumberland (Conservative)
Nottingham (Labour)
Slough (Labour
Northamptonshire (Conservative)

Like most issues that people like them usually present as such, it's not a party political issue. It's a complex and often unique set of scenarios

My only contribution to this thread is to comment on your alleged even handedness - you’re just guessing when it comes to what I think about this story.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: Birmingham Council declares bankruptcy

Just to demonstrate as clearly as possible that Sludge and Bob are incorrect.

List of councils who have declared s114 bankruptcy notices:

Birmingham (Labour)
Woking (Lib Dems)
Thurrock (Conservative)
Croydon (NOC)
Northumberland (Conservative)
Nottingham (Labour)
Slough (Labour
Northamptonshire (Conservative)

Like most issues that people like them usually present as such, it's not a party political issue. It's a complex and often unique set of scenarios

You are posting this to prove you are impartial ......ie look at me , I am not a tory honest ?

Or you are posting this to prove the actual situation of inefficient or corrupt or badly mismanaged councils is crap across the board ?

Try and be specific so I can try and understand

What are bob and I incorrect about ?

Council mismanagement ......obviously the point of the thread .......is usually pointed at left wing councils by Conservative voters

But it's a spurious claim and this thread has shown that

I don't really know why you are here ?

[North Cardiff Blue]

Re: Birmingham Council declares bankruptcy

Labour council wasted a load of money through daft ideas and mismanagement, went bancrupt, leftes try to defend the undefendable as usual.


THREAD OVER!!!!!!!