Triple Lock

[+ the native hipster]

Re: Triple Lock

I think it is still defined as a benefit by the government.

Most people won't have paid enough NI to cover even a few years of state pension, it is a ponzi that current working age people pay for.

Ironically the current pensioners were quite happy for the older generations (their parents and grandparents) to die in poverty and freeze to death when they were the ones contributing to the system rather than taking from it. Now the shoe is on the other foot and it's envy to suggest that if we are looking to target cuts then maybe the triple lock is something to take a second glance at

but a quarter of all pensioners have retired with enough cash to get a helicopter to the post office on a Thursday , paying loads of NI , a 'ponzi' if you like ,that was always the point , you pay for the generation that has retired, but to be fair i laffed like f@@@ watching my parents freeze to death.

[jon1959]

Re: Triple Lock

The introduction of the Triple Lock was an attempt to address pensioner poverty but it only serves to provide one huge chunk of pensioners with more than they'll ever need which means it ends up in the pockets of their offspring

Or in the pockets of care home businesses.

[Hilts]

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Pensions i doubt will ever be means tested, Those who make the decisions do very nicely, however, the politics of envy shine in this fred, they despise those who just get up in the morning go to work and get paid for the effort, they have never been the same since Dustbin got obliterated by Johnson and lost their promise of free WIFI.

Working people having in effect pay cuts , some relying on food banks while the rich laugh at the clowns in "red wall" areas who voted them in.

The public voted in this govt and are living with the consequences.

But but Jeremy Corbyn went well.

[pipster]

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Working people having in effect pay cuts , some relying on food banks while the rich laugh at the clowns in "red wall" areas who voted them in.

The public voted in this govt and are living with the consequences.

But but Jeremy Corbyn went well.

I think the same about people in Wales moaning about drakeford, 20mph zones, traffic zones that cause more air pollution, no more roads, an "airport" that has bigger all flights etc - people voted for Labour so enjoy your moaning.

As for triple lock - yes it needs amending. Corbyn wasnt the answer (too left wing), Starmer isnt the answer either - so not sure where that leaves the socialists. Probably a govt in waiting - waiting to stuff things up again - like most Govt's before it. Blair / Brown - boom and bust - yeah cant wait for that (I did ok out of those policies)

[Hilts]

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I think the same about people in Wales moaning about drakeford, 20mph zones, traffic zones that cause more air pollution, no more roads, an "airport" that has bigger all flights etc - people voted for Labour so enjoy your moaning.

As for triple lock - yes it needs amending. Corbyn wasnt the answer (too left wing), Starmer isnt the answer either - so not sure where that leaves the socialists. Probably a govt in waiting - waiting to stuff things up again - like most Govt's before it. Blair / Brown - boom and bust - yeah cant wait for that (I did ok out of those policies)

Its a nightmare. The Tories have wrecked the economy driving people to food banks , 3 PMs a cost of living crisis and the Welsh Govt wont let you drive as fast as you want to through residential areas. Shocking.

[Taunton Blue Genie]

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This isn't a morality issue. It's not the Good, the Bad and the Ugly.

Thank you for your in-depth critical analysis :hehe:

[Eric Cartman]

Re: Triple Lock

but a quarter of all pensioners have retired with enough cash to get a helicopter to the post office on a Thursday , paying loads of NI , a 'ponzi' if you like ,that was always the point , you pay for the generation that has retired, but to be fair i laffed like f@@@ watching my parents freeze to death.

Are you alright? You are cutting the figure of somebody who is struggling with something. I am not trying to piss anybody off with this thread, it's simply a chat about allocation of resources.

[Eric Cartman]

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It's actually going to be 8.5% rather than 8%

So that is extra billion or so (on top of the 15 billion already accounted for by the 8% estimated rise) for people in work to find.

Turns out we are the magic money tree.

[Eric Cartman]

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Thank you for your in-depth critical analysis :hehe:

Conveniently ignored the responses that did question what you were saying though..

[JamesWales]

Re: Triple Lock

Working people having in effect pay cuts , some relying on food banks while the rich laugh at the clowns in "red wall" areas who voted them in.

The public voted in this govt and are living with the consequences.

But but Jeremy Corbyn went well.

Have you taken the time to see what is happening in other countries?

It rather dismisses your view that everything is the fault of the govt (convenient that).

If you can't even diagnose the problem properly you will never solve it

[JamesWales]

Re: Triple Lock

Its a nightmare. The Tories have wrecked the economy driving people to food banks , 3 PMs a cost of living crisis and the Welsh Govt wont let you drive as fast as you want to through residential areas. Shocking.

UK economy is growing faster than most of our peers, unemployment is lower and wages rising faster. Every country has food banks too. Most economic and social data is far worse here in Wales where people like you say we have been 'protected' from the Tories. Some protection! Lower wages and more poverty! Brilliant!

That's why the 20mph stuff pisses people off a lot of the time. Cos the WG are good are pissing around with things like that, but pretty dreadful at the big important things.

[pipster]

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Its a nightmare. The Tories have wrecked the economy driving people to food banks , 3 PMs a cost of living crisis and the Welsh Govt wont let you drive as fast as you want to through residential areas. Shocking.

Interesting re food banks - in France (approx same population as UK) they were introduced 14 years before UK. France started them in 1984 - UK was 1997 , The French process about 4 times as much through food banks as the UK does - they do have a legal requirement that supermarkets donate food - but that food is still used by people in need.
In France it is seen as a good socialist type thing to do , in the UK it is a stigma used to label poor people.

[JamesWales]

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Interesting re food banks - in France (approx same population as UK) they were introduced 14 years before UK. France started them in 1984 - UK was 1997 , The French process about 4 times as much through food banks as the UK does - they do have a legal requirement that supermarkets donate food - but that food is still used by people in need.
In France it is seen as a good socialist type thing to do , in the UK it is a stigma used to label poor people.

Nice one Pipster, but it can't be correct because the Tories don't even stand for election in France so how could they possibly have created food banks there?

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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Interesting re food banks - in France (approx same population as UK) they were introduced 14 years before UK. France started them in 1984 - UK was 1997 , The French process about 4 times as much through food banks as the UK does - they do have a legal requirement that supermarkets donate food - but that food is still used by people in need.
In France it is seen as a good socialist type thing to do , in the UK it is a stigma used to label poor people.

I assume its Tories doing the labelling because the people I know who donate to or volunteer at local food banks most certainly don't do it to stigmatise or belittle vulnerable people

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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UK economy is growing faster than most of our peers, unemployment is lower and wages rising faster. Every country has food banks too. Most economic and social data is far worse here in Wales where people like you say we have been 'protected' from the Tories. Some protection! Lower wages and more poverty! Brilliant!

That's why the 20mph stuff pisses people off a lot of the time. Cos the WG are good are pissing around with things like that, but pretty dreadful at the big important things.

The bloke who isn't a raving tory has turned up to defend the tory government and belittle the Welsh Labour government

Again ......

Well that's a surprise

But he's not a raving tory and is politically neutral

Honest